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#77 Dec 07 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why is it crazy to think Obama would give away technology to radical muslims? He already gave them Egypt.


So you'r saying that the west should have just ignored the fact that millions of people were suffering because the existing government was friendly towards us? Sounds terrible to me. Also, to call the people currently running Egypt "radical muslims" is a bit of a stretch.

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Clinton sold technology to the chi-coms. This is what democrats do.



That's capitalism. Want to sell something? Got a buyer? Sell to the buyer. Capitalism.

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What's insane is you liberals thinking that everything bad that happens is just a coincidence.


Again, liberal is an inaccurate label. Nothing in international politics and econimics is just conicidence, and if I had more time, I'd lay out for you the history of the last 31 years regarding Iran, The Middle East, American foreign policy, and the religion of Islam, but I'm a college student, I have more pressing and important things to do with my time.

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I like that you have no idea what went on during the iran-contra affair.


I don't think you do either.

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Well shucks I guess that's just the way it is when multi-million dollar very sophisticated tech is given to radical muslims.


In the case of Iran's government, I think, "orthodox muslims" is a lot closer to the truth than "radical muslims". Also, it wasn't given, no western government would do so in the current political climate, even if you want to believe it really badly. I am however, getting the feeling that you're one of those people who thinks you should be able to fly into any country's airspace regardless of international law, treaties, etc. just because you're American.

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What in the h*ll does that have to do with the US govn losing a piece of sophisticated technology and then the president pretending it didn't happen? What do you think would happen if someone called in to file a claim and I pretended they didn't call?


Where does it say, anywhere, that the president is pretending it didn't happen?
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#78 Dec 07 2011 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Relavent to the topic at hand.

Varus, I'm waiting for you to disprove the documented proof that a republican president gave, in your words, "radical muslims" technology and aid.

Edited, Dec 7th 2011 4:32pm by ArexLovesPie
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#79 Dec 07 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Clinton sold technology to the chi-coms. This is what democrats do.

That's capitalism. Want to sell something? Got a buyer? Sell to the buyer. Capitalism.

Yeah, you'd think the Republicans would be in favor of this kind of free-market economy.

And I'm still puzzled by the claims that liberals hate the military. I don't hate the military; **** I have friends and family that are on active duty. I just don't like seeing them put at risk for silly nation-building wars overseas. Especially when people ***** that we assisted in popular revolts like Egypt and Libya, yet have nothing but praise for the prolonged occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Republicans must be the ones who hate the military and keep sending them into unwinnable situations.
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#80 Dec 07 2011 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone noticed that China has been doing some sabre-rattling of its own?
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/chinese-general-threatens-us-with-world-war-3-over-iran/
I don't know how respected Major General Zhang Zhaozhong is; but he certainly seems to have raised a few eyebrows stating
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“China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third world war,”

I notice that wasn't on many Western headline.. so I guess it's OK Smiley: rolleyes

It certainly does seems like sides are being taken and some lines being clearly drawn in the sand..
I'm just waiting to see where Russia, Syria, and Israel are going to land.. although I could probably guess.

Interesting times, certainly.
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#81 Dec 07 2011 at 10:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just waiting to see where Russia, Syria, and Israel are going to land.. although I could probably guess.


Russia's got it's own problems at the moment.

I'm going to be sorely disappointed if Putin goes down for election fraud. He deserves something worthy of a Bond villain. Not that I think Putin is evil, mind you, but if he was evil he'd somehow be even cooler.



Edited, Dec 7th 2011 11:40pm by Omegavegeta
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#82 Dec 07 2011 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just waiting to see where Russia, Syria, and Israel are going to land.. although I could probably guess.


Syria is up in the air at the moment, being at the beginnings of what looks to be an unavoidable civil war and all.
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#83 Dec 07 2011 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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China can't afford to go to war with us. They'd like it if their bonds were actually worth something.
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#84 Dec 07 2011 at 11:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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They have 1.3bil people to feed, cut off grain exports from the US on top of Russia's grain problems and they could be in world of hurt. Really the U.S and China have each other by the balls so its not as one sided as some would like to think.
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#85 Dec 08 2011 at 12:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, this actually is the blessing in disguise of interconnected global economics. These days anyone who's big enough to pose a real threat has too much invested to engage in hostilities.
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#86 Dec 08 2011 at 5:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did you just misquote or are you that fucking out of the loop?


I only pop in here on occasion, so I may have completely misread it.

Either pop in more or hush, then.
#87 Dec 08 2011 at 6:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Try harder with your generalizations.
You do realize that that idiot actually will try harder now, don't you?
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#88 Dec 08 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Iran released footage of the drone showing it in intact condition. Iran says they hijacked it electronically and forced it to land.

The skull flags are a nice touch.
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#89 Dec 08 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll buy the "Obama just gave it to them" story a lot sooner than the "We hacked it" story.
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I'll buy the "Obama just gave it to them" story a lot sooner than the "We hacked it" story.


I wouldn't. The US is so far behind in that area that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Iran pulled it off.
#91 Dec 08 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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China can't afford to go to war with us. They'd like it if their bonds were actually worth something.


I am thinking more along the lines of Israel attacking Iran. I'm not convinced that Israel could be used as our "pitbull" in the Middle East..
Then again; I doubt anything of the sort will happen while Obama is still in office.
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If Obama "gave" it to them: It's a trojan horse. As soon as they "hacked" the honeypot trap (oh so juicy) and "took control" of the drone, they got a fresh dose of Stuxnet II on their entire internal IT network and they'll be battling it for years.

Actually, that's a brilliant plan. Smiley: lol
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#93 Dec 08 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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As far as dismantling the military, it's the popular course of action right now. The people don't like the war and they don't have any money. So, end the war and take the money from the military. Easy reelection. What people don't seem to understand is that if you significantly downsize the military, all those people have to get jobs elsewhere.



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Yeah, the idea that the country whose most secure nuclear facility still managed to get trashed by a worm can hijack our spy drones is pretty ludicrous.
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#95 Dec 08 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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They have 1.3bil people to feed, cut off grain exports from the US on top of Russia's grain problems and they could be in world of hurt. Really the U.S and China have each other by the balls so its not as one sided as some would like to think.


Yeah I was thinking about that in terms of nuclear war... if anything like that got serious the social disorder, panic and chaos on both sides of the war would be pretty hard to manage. I mean, a billion people freaking out that they might be torched with an atom bomb would be tough for even the most authoritarian regime to deal with.
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#96 Dec 08 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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I'll buy the "Obama just gave it to them" story a lot sooner than the "We hacked it" story.


I wouldn't. The US is so far behind in that area that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Iran pulled it off.


Remember this?

It does suggest that the military isn't always on top of this stuff.

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“U.S. military personnel in Iraq discovered the problem late last year when they apprehended a Shiite militant whose laptop contained files of intercepted drone video feeds,” Wall Street Journal reports. “In July, the U.S. military found pirated drone video feeds on other militant laptops, leading some officials to conclude that militant groups trained and funded by Iran were regularly intercepting feeds.”

How’d the militants manage to get access to such secret data? Basically by pointing satellite dishes up, and waiting for the drone feeds to pour in. According to the Journal, militants have exploited a weakness: The data links between the drone and the ground control station were never encrypted. Which meant that pretty much anyone could tap into the overhead surveillance that many commanders feel is America’s most important advantage in its two wars. Pretty much anyone could intercept the feeds of the drones that are the focal point for the secret U.S. war in Pakistan.


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I was going to reference the same event but got busy. No, intercepting video feeds isn't the same as controlling the drone but it does show that stuff gets left with security holes. How many reports have we seen about gaping holes in our own infrastructure systems that can be exploited by hackers as we laugh at Iran for falling prey to the Stuxnet virus (which was handcrafted to exploit their system).
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#98 Dec 08 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I was going to reference the same event but got busy. No, intercepting video feeds isn't the same as controlling the drone but it does show that stuff gets left with security holes. How many reports have we seen about gaping holes in our own infrastructure systems that can be exploited by hackers as we laugh at Iran for falling prey to the Stuxnet virus (which was handcrafted to exploit their system).


Vericode just released their findings and the government ranks pretty much the worst all the time.
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#100 Dec 08 2011 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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If Obama "gave" it to them: It's a trojan horse. As soon as they "hacked" the honeypot trap (oh so juicy) and "took control" of the drone, they got a fresh dose of Stuxnet II on their entire internal IT network and they'll be battling it for years.

Actually, that's a brilliant plan


Great plan that people might actually believe were Obama not so sympathetic towards muslims.


Hate mongering much? I guess land of the free means everyone who isn't white and male.
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Stuxnet was the precision tactical nuke of viruses. It took advantage of multiple ZDEs and was written to target a very specific system with specific control signatures. Stuxnet is in no way an indication of how strong or weak a network is.

As far as the cyber aspect of the US military, it's a joke. Cyber control wasn't established until either '08 or '09 and was bounced back and fourth between the NSA and USAF for the past few years. They just completed one of their first (if not their first) large scale cyber war game within the past week or two.

The video feed thing is relatively minor since the video feed and control feeds are likely operating on two different connections. However, a few months ago the control center at Nellis discovered malware in the drone control systems. Depending on who you listened to, it was either a keylogger, monitoring software, or random internet garbage.

Also, it was recently discovered that China has been in our government and defense systems for years without us knowing it. Who knows how much info they managed to pull from us. RSA was recently breached with attacks on both Lockheed and Northrop using those breached RSA tokens, and who knows how many other defense contractors that didn't publicly report the attack.

The US recently redefined cyber attacks as an act of war due to how badly we've been being raped on the cyber front. If Iran had any chance of downing this thing, I would say electronically was the only plausible option they had.
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