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#27 Dec 03 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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eh in some fields that is almost impossible to guess at. Service industry can generally bank on certain times of year for things, holidays, season changes, etc. Other industries such as mine for example depends on a slew of unpredictable occurrences. If I was in a salaried position I would never expect a time frame of my hours. One day I can do nothing all day, I sit at home on call sometimes because im 2 minutes from the plant, other times I stay and sit in my office doing paper work and playing gameboy. Sometimes I actually have to work.

There is no way to predict when something in the plant will fault, a drop of oil can spill off anytime on to any proxy anywhere in the plant, a robot could fault out at any time. Its just to unpredictable to give a time line.

It is a noble expectation but generally unrealistic in a great many work industries.
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#28 Dec 03 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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I think the expectation of how much people are expected to work should be laid out pretty clearly when you're hired.
Agreed. Last thing I want is someone who wants more when they work more hours, when I know at some point, I'm going to expect them to work more hours and am not willing to pay them more for it. Expectations should be clear for both parties before they start working.
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#29 Dec 03 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Where I work, IT staff take comp days when they finish a big time-intensive project. Same way I would.


Yeah, we get those too. the part that I always find annoying is that many things in IT, particularily in the server arena, have to be done after hours or during weekends. It seems to me there should be some sort of compensation for work intruding into my personal rest and relaation time other than just hour per hour relocation. That 2 hour time period on saturday is "worth" more to me personally in my view than leaving 2 hours early some other day. an intact saturday means I can accomplesh a project. breaking that up into smaller chunks doesn't allow me to get as far in that project, or in some cases even start it. I definitly agree that those time chunks are required though. you can't just down the file servers during the day at a large organization. I just wish there was a mechanism in place to recognize that evening and weekend hours suck when they aren't the normal schedule. That won't ever happen though, so i'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
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#30 Dec 03 2011 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
I learned that's actually one of the few advantages of having an outsourced team of experts in India. We have the NOC do a lot of patches, reboots, hotfixes, and stuff at 1AM EST, which they're cool with since it's 11AM their time.
#31 Dec 03 2011 at 11:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just messing around.

In my opinion, anyone who takes salary should never get paid OT. Do you give back any of that pay when you work less than 40 hours?
Where I work, our salaried supervisors get OT when they have to work a 12 hour shift only to cover the absence of another supervisor. Any salaried manager can get OT if they are required to work an entire shift on the weekend. If a supervisor has to stay late to finish his paperwork, or a manager needs to pop in on a Saturday to get caught up on something, they are doing it on their own time. To me, that's fair.
I don't agree with that. If a manager has to cover an extra shift, they can take extra time off later on. That's our company policy. Anyone not liking it is free to chose another employer.
That is actually our official policy. But since having other people around to cover comp time costs more than just paying OT, they just pay for the OT. Once the building market improves, we will probably go back to comp time, but as of now, it's senseless to hire a spare member of management.
#32 Dec 04 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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eh in some fields that is almost impossible to guess at. Service industry can generally bank on certain times of year for things, holidays, season changes, etc. Other industries such as mine for example depends on a slew of unpredictable occurrences. If I was in a salaried position I would never expect a time frame of my hours. One day I can do nothing all day, I sit at home on call sometimes because im 2 minutes from the plant, other times I stay and sit in my office doing paper work and playing gameboy. Sometimes I actually have to work.

There is no way to predict when something in the plant will fault, a drop of oil can spill off anytime on to any proxy anywhere in the plant, a robot could fault out at any time. Its just to unpredictable to give a time line.

It is a noble expectation but generally unrealistic in a great many work industries.
What you just described is the expectation. Also I'm referring to salaried people specifically here. your job would likely not be salaried just because of the unpredictability.

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#33 Dec 04 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
]Where I work, our salaried supervisors get OT when they have to work a 12 hour shift only to cover the absence of another supervisor. Any salaried manager can get OT if they are required to work an entire shift on the weekend. If a supervisor has to stay late to finish his paperwork, or a manager needs to pop in on a Saturday to get caught up on something, they are doing it on their own time. To me, that's fair.


Not management or a supervisor but I have a similar set up on OT. I don't get paid any overtime unless I am required to work on a day which I ordinarily don't work - but even that is pretty restricted - like if someone is having a press conference on Sunday and I do a call around for them, I don't/can't(? never tried TBH) claim overtime.

But when we are asked to work all night for one reason or another, or if we had to take a regular Saturday shift we get OT.

Instead of OT I get an extra month I can either cash in as extra pay or vacation. So we all get exactly the same regardless of who works more over weekends etc, which is sort meh but w/e. Generally speaking the employer is winning on the deal, but it all depends. The last year we had a bunch of stuff happen which completely sidelined my shop so it was a lot slower than usual, and we still got the full allowance so I think it is pretty balanced.
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