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#1 Nov 28 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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It's a few days old but noteworthy none the less. Linky!

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Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) promised Monday to filibuster a controversial Senate proposal that greatly expands the government’s ability to shutter and disrupt websites “dedicated to infringing activities.”

The Protect IP Act, similar to the House’s Stop Online Piracy Act, largely grant rights holders the unfettered power to effectively kill websites they believe are dedicated to infringing activities — all in a bid to combat piracy.

Wyden tried to kill the bill six months ago by putting a hold on it, a rarely used Senate rule (.pdf) allowing one senator to block a measure from a floor vote.

But Wyden’s office reports Monday that there’s movement afoot to undo that hold, 60 Senate votes are needed. And the vote could come following the Thanksgiving holiday.

If PIPA reaches the floor, Wyden promises he will exercise another Senate rule: the filibuster.

Instead of reading the telephone book, he would read the names of Americans opposed to the measure lodged at stopcensorship.org, Jennifer Hoelzer, Wyden’s spokeswoman said in a telephone interview.

“Right now our focus is trying to get this from coming to the floor,” Hoelzer said.

When Wyden blocked the bill, he said: “By ceding control of the internet to corporations through a private right of action, and to government agencies that do not sufficiently understand and value the internet, PIPA represents a threat to our economic future and to our international objectives.”

The measures also boost the government’s authority to disrupt and shutter websites that hawk or host trademark- and copyright-infringing products, including allowing the government to order sites removed from search engines. They allow the Justice Department to obtain court orders demanding American ISPs to blacklist websites via DNS. That’s a feature even the bill’s main House backer conceded Wednesday was problematic for a host of reasons, including it being a threat to a secure and uniform internet.

The Senate measure was voted out of the Senate Judiciary committee in May, and Wyden placed a hold on it.

The House version had its first hearing last week. No vote was taken to send it to the full House.

Click to stopcenshorship.org to oppose the legislation.


I hope this works. I'm glad to see a Senator stand up for what is right. The last thing this country needs is the government trying to give corporations more power, and giving the government more control over the internet.
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#2 Nov 28 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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yeah it is pretty bogus for companies to be able to knock out websites. There needs to be, at the very least, proper due process.
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#3 Nov 28 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good on him. I do believe that the government probably needs some more tools at its disposal for dealing with piracy and such, but it doesn't look like this bill fits the...uh...bill. Too much of an overreach.
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#4 Nov 28 2011 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thought this would be an Anthony Weiner thread.
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#5 Nov 28 2011 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Good on him. I do believe that the government probably needs some more tools at its disposal for dealing with piracy and such, but it doesn't look like this bill fits the...uh...bill. Too much of an overreach.


The problem with stopping piracy is the scope of it is huge and to actually stop it is going to require a bill like PIPA to pass and that's not even near constitutional. Not to mention a vast majority of the torrent sites aren't even located in the states so there are some glaring jurisdiction problems.
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#6 Nov 28 2011 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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In the age of P2P networks, taking down piracy will require taking down the entire Internet. There's no other way to make it happen.
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Majivo wrote:
In the age of P2P networks, taking down piracy will require taking down the entire Internet. There's no other way to make it happen.


If this law passes, I can see an entirely "new" internet replacing the one we know now. One that's not good and stuff.
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ArexLovesPie wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Good on him. I do believe that the government probably needs some more tools at its disposal for dealing with piracy and such, but it doesn't look like this bill fits the...uh...bill. Too much of an overreach.


The problem with stopping piracy is the scope of it is huge and to actually stop it is going to require a bill like PIPA to pass and that's not even near constitutional. Not to mention a vast majority of the torrent sites aren't even located in the states so there are some glaring jurisdiction problems.


Perhaps so...I haven't exactly done my homework on the issue. I do wonder though, if more iterative steps might help. I say "more tools at their disposal" because it seems like government is still scrambling when it comes to internet issues; they're using laws that weren't built for a situation like this. A better system might at least help flesh out things for everybody, even if they don't knock down piracy.

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#9 Nov 28 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
ArexLovesPie wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Good on him. I do believe that the government probably needs some more tools at its disposal for dealing with piracy and such, but it doesn't look like this bill fits the...uh...bill. Too much of an overreach.


The problem with stopping piracy is the scope of it is huge and to actually stop it is going to require a bill like PIPA to pass and that's not even near constitutional. Not to mention a vast majority of the torrent sites aren't even located in the states so there are some glaring jurisdiction problems.


Perhaps so...I haven't exactly done my homework on the issue. I do wonder though, if more iterative steps might help. I say "more tools at their disposal" because it seems like government is still scrambling when it comes to internet issues; they're using laws that weren't built for a situation like this. A better system might at least help flesh out things for everybody, even if they don't knock down piracy.

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 3:09pm by Eske


Any time they start talking about messing with the DNS records on some of the major dns servers you're asking for a huge back lash from the tech community. Half the problem with these bills they're trying to pass is they have no idea the **** they are talking about and how much actual impact it will have over all. This type of filtration will leech out into other countries and pretty soon we'll have the global big brother.

I don't tend to really get into politics but I really suggest people contact their senators and urge them to vote this **** down.
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Changing your DNS server is pretty trivial and any sites that get the boot will just host in another country (most probably already have).

This bill does nothing to stop piracy, it's not even a speed bump. All this does is cause problems for legitimate companies and maybe force people to use a non US based search engine.
#11 Nov 28 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wyden tried to kill the bill six months ago by putting a hold on it, a rarely used Senate rule (.pdf) allowing one senator to block a measure from a floor vote.

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