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#1 Nov 27 2011 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
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NATO helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military outposts in northwest Pakistan Saturday, killing as many as 28 troops and plunging US-Pakistan relations deeper into crisis......Islamabad also said it had ordered the United States to vacate a drone base in the country, but a senior U.S. official said Washington had received no such request and noted that Pakistan had made similar eviction threats in the past, without following through.



So..
Do you think this going to get played down by the "global community" because everyone already sees America and Co. as the annoying house guests that won't go away?
Friendly-fire is one thing.. but attacking two separate bases at the same time seems a little.. nuts? What is particularly disconcerting to me is how this seems to be viewed (at least in the hysterical media) as an official NATO ATTACK on PAKISTAN..(oh ; also the Pakistan leadership ALSO view it like that "Pakistan's Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani said the killings were "an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty."

Oopsie! So do you think this is just another random incident that will be forgotten in a week and the same ole' song and dance will just go on? What are we still doing there anyway?
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#2 Nov 27 2011 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
Id like to know if **** forces fired first before I render an opinion.


ALSO: Were the **** forces covered in the nano-bits we've been spraying? HMMMMMMMM?
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#3 Nov 27 2011 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I want to come up with some well thought out response to this, but all I can think as I read this is

We're all living in Amerika
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We're all living in Amerika
Amerika, Amerika


I want to move to some other country... Australia isn't nearly as controversial, right?
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#4 Nov 27 2011 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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I'm four hours from Winnipeg, I'm beginning to wonder if moving north wouldn't be such a bad idea.
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#5 Nov 27 2011 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
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ArexLovesPie wrote:
I'm four hours from Winnipeg, I'm beginning to wonder if moving north wouldn't be such a bad idea.
If Winnipeg is the option, then yes it is.
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ArexLovesPie wrote:
I'm four hours from Winnipeg, I'm beginning to wonder if moving north wouldn't be such a bad idea.
If Winnipeg is the option, then yes it is.


Well, I can safely assume a large majority of the population of Winnipeg can't drive, I witness this daily just driving around Fargo for work. But, I think I could forego the utter lack of driving ability.
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#7 Nov 27 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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The story I'd heard was that the Pakis at one of the outposts was firing small arms at NATO choppers, which precipitated the attack. It all seems rather fishy. Of course I don't feel we need to treat Pakistan all that kindly, considering they were harboring bin Laden anyways.
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#8 Nov 27 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Given the Osama raid occured with helicopters, I'm pretty sure the pakistani border guards were ordered to shoot warning shots at any U.S. helicopters that approached the border without notice. Helicopters saw shooting, didn't wait to see if it was a warning shot, and obliterated them. I'd be suprised if there were any bullet holes in the helicopters, i'd also be suprised if the pakistanis didn't shoot first in this instance.
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#9 Nov 27 2011 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Given the Osama raid occured with helicopters, I'm pretty sure the pakistani border guards were ordered to shoot warning shots at any U.S. helicopters that approached the border without notice.

Is there an actual reason to assume this to be the case? I mean, whether you like the US flying choppers into your country or not, shooting at their helicopters is probably not a good solution.
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its what happened last October. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/pakis-dont-reopen-border-after-apology

Yeah, yeah, I know. Its the first URL I saw that had the story from october.
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Majivo wrote:
I mean, whether you like the US flying choppers into your country or not, shooting at their helicopters is probably not a good solution.
You'd think when your weapons go "ping ping ping" and the person you're aiming at's weapons go "boom boom boom," you'd have the sense to not test to see which would do the most damage.
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Majivo wrote:
I mean, whether you like the US flying choppers into your country or not, shooting at their helicopters is probably not a good solution.
You'd think when your weapons go "ping ping ping" and the person you're aiming at's weapons go "boom boom boom," you'd have the sense to not test to see which would do the most damage.

Does the great white shark go boom, boom, boom?
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
So do you think this is just another random incident that will be forgotten in a week and the same ole' song and dance will just go on?

No and yes. It won't be "forgotten" but Pakistan needs US money/assistance too much to let something like this end it. Both to fight the "bad" terrorists (as opposed to the terrorists Pakistan supports) and as a hedge against interference from India.

According to a couple sources, the air base the US is "closed" from using is one the US hasn't used since the summer.
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From the Atlantic:
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A two hour siege on a site inside Pakistan by NATO forces killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. The siege continued even after alleged appeals by Pakistan military command staff to NATO commanders to stop the assault. Various Afghan intelligence sources are reporting that a joint US-Afghan patrol was fired upon by heavy Pakistan-based artillery -- and thus the NATO air attack was against the source of that attack. Turned out the site targeted involved two Pakistan Army-manned check points.

Assuming this is accurate, Pakistan didn't originally fire upon NATO helicopters. Rather, they fired artillery upon NATO ground forces and those NATO forces called in air support.

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 10:18am by Jophiel
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Jophiel wrote:
From the Atlantic:
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A two hour siege on a site inside Pakistan by NATO forces killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. The siege continued even after alleged appeals by Pakistan military command staff to NATO commanders to stop the assault. Various Afghan intelligence sources are reporting that a joint US-Afghan patrol was fired upon by heavy Pakistan-based artillery -- and thus the NATO air attack was against the source of that attack. Turned out the site targeted involved two Pakistan Army-manned check points.

Assuming this is accurate, Pakistan didn't originally fire upon NATO helicopters. Rather, they fired artillery upon NATO ground forces and those NATO forces called in air support.

Now that begs the question; where was this patrol?

I think it's time to pull out of Afghanistan and Pakistan and let them duke it out. Maybe go blow a few kisses to India just to put on the pressure.
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Dunno. The check points were on/near the border though since their function was to stop Afghan terrorist fighters from moving into Pakistan.
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Debalic wrote:
Now that begs the question; where was this patrol?
I'm just going to go ahead and assume it was a routine border patrol.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Now that begs the question; where was this patrol?
I'm just going to go ahead and assume it was a routine border patrol.


And that begs the question; where was this border?
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Lot of incorrect use of "begging the question" on the forum today.

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