The political climate is ripe for a new thirdish party to make a move.
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
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Elinda wrote:
The political climate is ripe for a new thirdish party to make a move.
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
Who would it represent?
Ultra liberals and ultra conservatives are too small of groups to be effective. I would guess you're talking about either the Tea Party, the religious right, or the OWS folks? Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
Edit: Rather, the only group I see being large enough to have their own party would be the religious right, which I would estimate is about 20-25% of the country and the majority of the Republican party. Forming their own party would gut the GOP and surely help the Democrats. Granted, I'd be more inclined to vote Republican then, as they could actually focus on fiscal conservatism instead of social conservatism, but I don't think too many people would change their minds.
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 8:56am by LockeColeMA
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
The political climate is ripe for a new thirdish party to make a move.
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
Who would it represent?
Ultra liberals and ultra conservatives are too small of groups to be effective. I would guess you're talking about either the Tea Party, the religious right, or the OWS folks? Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
Edit: Rather, the only group I see being large enough to have their own party would be the religious right, which I would estimate is about 20-25% of the country and the majority of the Republican party. Forming their own party would gut the GOP and surely help the Democrats. Granted, I'd be more inclined to vote Republican then, as they could actually focus on fiscal conservatism instead of social conservatism, but I don't think too many people would change their minds.
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 8:56am by LockeColeMA
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
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Edited, Nov 17th 2011 3:00pm by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
LockeColeMA wrote:
Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
I stand by my statement. If you're an actual independent, you vote on candidate, not party.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
LockeColeMA wrote:
Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
I stand by my statement. If you're an actual independent, you vote on candidate, not party.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
LockeColeMA wrote:
Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
I stand by my statement. If you're an actual independent, you vote on candidate, not party.
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Elinda wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
LockeColeMA wrote:
Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
I stand by my statement. If you're an actual independent, you vote on candidate, not party.
Says who? We'd be better off fixing the election system than trying to trump up a 3rd party. Washington warned against a party system, and yet it's the current basis on who shows up on our national ballots.
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I know what a glory hole is, but I wasn't sure what the business part was in reference to.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Elinda wrote:
The political climate is ripe for a new thirdish party to make a move.
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
What should the new party be called?
What should be it's platform?
Who should be it's presidential candidate(s)?
What should be it's representative animal and color?
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Elinda wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It could be said that the two parties themselves have gone to far to the edges. How about one to fill in the middle?
LockeColeMA wrote:
Independents are too diverse to encompass all their views in one party.
I stand by my statement. If you're an actual independent, you vote on candidate, not party.
Says who? We'd be better off fixing the election system than trying to trump up a 3rd party. Washington warned against a party system, and yet it's the current basis on who shows up on our national ballots.
The communication resources now available via the internets can provide for more diversity in candidates. I think we're still too sheepish though, at least for the next couple elections, to be able to bring a candidate to a viable spot on the presidential ballot without party backing.
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A candidate without party backing will have almost no chance of making it on a national scale for the simple reason of money. Party backing and fundraising (RNC/DNC and the Congressional versions), allied PACs and guaranteed ballot access without the lengthy and expensive petition process.
Why do you think Congressional libertarians run on the Republican ticket and socialists/Greens run on the Democratic ticket? Even Bernie Sanders (I-VT) had a deal with Senator Schumer that the DSCC wouldn't back a Democratic opponent to Sanders' run.
Speaking of, for a Congresscritter, once you get into office you had better caucus with one of the parties or else you're immediately shut out of any committee assignments. Which is why "independents" like Lieberman still belong to the Democratic party for all practical purposes. An independent who isn't caucusing with D or R is neutered the moment they enter office since they'll never have the influence on the process his fellow Congress members do.
I'm not saying this is all good or bad but it's just the way of things. You're better off getting involved at a basic level in the party you most identify with and trying to steer them in your preferred direction than to wish for a third party.
Why do you think Congressional libertarians run on the Republican ticket and socialists/Greens run on the Democratic ticket? Even Bernie Sanders (I-VT) had a deal with Senator Schumer that the DSCC wouldn't back a Democratic opponent to Sanders' run.
Speaking of, for a Congresscritter, once you get into office you had better caucus with one of the parties or else you're immediately shut out of any committee assignments. Which is why "independents" like Lieberman still belong to the Democratic party for all practical purposes. An independent who isn't caucusing with D or R is neutered the moment they enter office since they'll never have the influence on the process his fellow Congress members do.
I'm not saying this is all good or bad but it's just the way of things. You're better off getting involved at a basic level in the party you most identify with and trying to steer them in your preferred direction than to wish for a third party.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
Realistically, there won't be a viable third party unless there is structural change in the underlying mechanics of our political system. We use a majority take all, and money heavy election system which necessarily polarizes your political agents.
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Realistically, there won't be a viable third party unless there is structural change in the underlying mechanics of our political system. We use a majority take all, and money heavy election system which necessarily polarizes your political agents.
From what I understand, as a voter you make a top pick and then a second pick. I'm not sure if you're allowed to put down the same name twice or not????
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Keg Party!
The way they act, you'd think this was the case already.
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Speaking of, some damn group keeps calling my house pitching their idea for open ranked primaries where the #1 & #2 get to compete in the general regardless of their party affiliation.
Then they asked me for $1,000 to contribute to their cause
Then they asked me for $1,000 to contribute to their cause
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Senator Toomey (R-PA) wrote:
In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
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Speaking of, some damn group keeps calling my house pitching their idea for open ranked primaries where the #1 & #2 get to compete in the general regardless of their party affiliation.
Then they asked me for $1,000 to contribute to their cause
Then they asked me for $1,000 to contribute to their cause
They started those a while back up here. Political parties started holding closed primaries (only registered party members could vote) to ensure they'd get their candidate to the general election. Cheese got moved, but little changed.
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Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What is it's favorite color?
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What is it's favorite color?
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
Edited, Nov 17th 2011 10:16am by Belkira
Shedding it's snakeskin and selling it's platform under various rhetorical veneers to appeal to different constituent groups, while being beholden to corporate shareholders?
I think we're already full up on parties like that.
What if the bird will not sing?
Nobunaga answers, "Kill it!"
Hideyoshi answers, "Make it want to sing."
Ieyasu answers, "Wait."
Timelordwho answers "Just as Planned."
Nobunaga answers, "Kill it!"
Hideyoshi answers, "Make it want to sing."
Ieyasu answers, "Wait."
Timelordwho answers "Just as Planned."
We should go with a House Party, if only to see the international reaction to hair that tall.
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The Coffee party started as a reaction against the Tea Party (Wake up America!!!1!11!) but it then sort of folded into The Other 98%, which has now blossomed into OWS and The 99%.
I'd like to see the Facts Only party. No spin, no opinions, only cold hard facts allowed.
I'd like to see the Facts Only party. No spin, no opinions, only cold hard facts allowed.
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I see you liberals are starting to get more nervous with each passing day.
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We don't need a spoiler. The mess the GOP is in is its own downfall.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
varusword75 wrote:
I see you liberals are starting to get more nervous with each passing day. You're hoping and praying for another ross perot spoiler but it's just not going to happen.
Actually, there was a Republican strategist on NPR this morning saying he was hoping and praying for another Ralph Nader.
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Turin wrote:
(Zelduh)'s won the argument by going so far off the deep end that no one is willing to follow.
catwho wrote:
I'd like to see the Facts Only party. No spin, no opinions, only cold hard facts allowed.
Because most Americans would vote for the candidate that tells them the facts, not what they want to hear.
Elinda wrote:
The political climate is ripe for a new thirdish party to make a move.
Maybe the third party already made its move... and that created the climate?
Elinda wrote:
What should the new party be called?
The League of Doom!
Elinda wrote:
What should be it's platform?
World Dominion. Join us or Die.
Elinda wrote:
Who should be it's
ME!
Elinda wrote:
What should be it's representative animal and color?
The mighty Wombat of doom!, and Blue. Because I like blue. Its a very nice color. Should go well with the uniforms. If some other party is already using it, thats too bad, see our platform...
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I have to admit you've got a lot of appeal, but I think there'll be some demographics that fiercely oppose you like African-american wives of the deceased, tall fathers, Mexican hermits, and poulty-lovers.
Edited, Nov 18th 2011 12:43am by Allegory
Edited, Nov 18th 2011 12:43am by Allegory
That's ok. The League of Doom (if that is their real name), will be opposed by SPIDER, the Secret Party Incorporating Democrats, Republicans, and Everyone in between (get it? 
). We will use our spidery appendages to reach into every other political organization, tie them up in webs of confuzzlement, and then feed on them to make ourselves stronger! Oh yes, even the mighty wombat army(tm) cannot stand against us!
Our symbol will of course be a spider. Possibly one hiding right on the side of the mouse you can't see (or in your pantry cupboard, our art department is still working on that). Our colors will be black, red, and something blotchy I think (we really need to hire an art department). We may appear where you least expect it, but we'll keep those other pesky critters (and political parties) away from you. So vote for us! Hurray!
). We will use our spidery appendages to reach into every other political organization, tie them up in webs of confuzzlement, and then feed on them to make ourselves stronger! Oh yes, even the mighty wombat army(tm) cannot stand against us! Our symbol will of course be a spider. Possibly one hiding right on the side of the mouse you can't see (or in your pantry cupboard, our art department is still working on that). Our colors will be black, red, and something blotchy I think (we really need to hire an art department). We may appear where you least expect it, but we'll keep those other pesky critters (and political parties) away from you. So vote for us! Hurray!
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SPIDRE.
I'd probably join it anyway.
Edited, Nov 18th 2011 4:58pm by lolgaxe
I'd probably join it anyway.
Edited, Nov 18th 2011 4:58pm by lolgaxe
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LockeColeMA wrote:
they could actually focus on fiscal conservatism instead of social conservatism
Don't the pubbies just pretend to be fiscal conservatives and then run up all the bills?
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