Penn St the grand liberal experimentFollow

If it were a feminist saying men perpetrate most of the violence varus would deny this and call it sexism

Blacks and women are all lying liberal whores, so no matter what they say the opposite is true. Unless it's a Republican frontrunner.

There's accessibility to consider, too. Main reason why when someone mentions pedophilia the first thoughts into anyone's heads are Catholic Priests and Choir Boys and Scout Leaders and Boy Scouts and such.

This wasn't about 15 year olds. This was about, among other things, Sandusky raping a ten year old boy in a shower. Attraction to post-pubescent minors is more accurately termed as ephebophilia.


What "two groups" are you talking about here?

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 3:50pm by Jophiel

Yeah. But both cases are often lumped together (incorrectly) when making claims about sexual behavior. I was making the point that when looking at such things we need to make a clear distinction between sexual behavior towards pre-pubescent and post pubescent minors. Those really are two completely different things. Specifically, I was addressing some of the stuff in Varus' link which did include data about attraction towards 15-19 year olds. As you say, that has nothing to do with child molestation.



I suppose you could label them pro-gay and anti-gay if you want. The anti-gay folks absolutely work hard to create the environment where homosexuality of any kind is "dirty", which leads to some gays (men specifically) hiding their sexuality, feeling like there's something wrong with them, and increasing the odds that they might turn to child molestation. The chain of cause/effect isn't simple, but it doesn't take a degree in psychology to realize that if someone already believes that his sexual desires are sinful/dirty/whatever, that this will increase his likelihood when acting on them to not make distinctions which he might otherwise. If having sex with another man is ok, but having sex with a child is wrong, he's more likely to satisfy himself with adult men and avoid children. But if both are "wrong", he's less likely to limit himself, right?

On the flip side though, the acts of some pro-gay groups to sweep the very real statistical problems within the gay community under the proverbial rug don't help their cause much either. There are problems with coercive sexual acts within the community, especially among gay men. There is a pattern of preying on young men (not children, but teenagers), and of pretty strong social pressures to "be gay" that are arguably just as strong if not more so than the pressures applied by the anti-gay folks (and to some extent to the larger society) to "be straight". It's not nearly the "freedom to be yourself" picture that its presented publicly, and a combination of a desire to hide this within the community and a desire to those outside to present said community in the best light possible to foster acceptance results in some pretty bad social pressures as well.


Within the gay community the pressure to not just be gay, but to be openly, actively gay, and essentially be a walking advocate for gay-rights is very very strong. What I'm getting at here is that this can push people to stay in the closet just as much as the pressure from the other side. Both have some blame here. Most people just want to live their lives, not get involved in some larger political conflict.

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 2:19pm by gbaji

I guess he doesn't understand where the most donations to the schools come from, eh?

I'm not sure what you're after here. At my school the athletics department keeps its budget separate from the university.

Every once in a while, you say something that is so close-minded, so baseless, and so offensive, I'm left absolutely speechless.

Thanks for reminding me just how far your douchebaggery goes. I had forgotten.

There's no irony. There's no hypocrisy.

There's just you being a complete fucking idiot.

There's a veritable ton of things that are wrong with what you're saying. A ton. It's so much, that I know it's just going to be an exercise in extreme frustration to try to go through point-by-point with you.

Then add on the fact that you're about as likely to acknowledge the errors and offenses as hell is of freezing over.

It'd be a waste of time, and an unpleasant one at that.


But you do deserve to be called an asshole for it, and I'll happily do that. Kindly go fuck yourself.

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 7:47pm by Eske

gbaji, I hope you're trolling.

I always love it when Gbaji does his "I'm not agreeing with varrus or anything because I'm an independent thinker, but he's totally right" shtick.

And an even better segue