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#52 Nov 14 2011 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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If it were a feminist saying men perpetrate most of the violence varus would deny this and call it sexism
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#53 Nov 14 2011 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could sneak it by him if you qualified them as black men, though. Then he'd think you agreed with him about the race war.
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It is a fact that there is a lot of "homosexual @#%^philia," as in young boys being exploited by men. This, however, doesn't work the way varus keeps telling himself it does. The gender of the child is immaterial. It's not that a person is attracted to males, and therefore touches male children, it's that a person is attracted to children and touches children. There is generally not a whole lot of sexual attraction to other adults in most cases. Are there a lot of cases in which someone who is normally attracted to the same adult *** touches a small child of either ***? No. There simply isn't. Not when compared to the whole of cases.


I'm not touching Varus' argument with a 10 foot pole, but I'm a bit confused by this post. I think it's pretty clear that most pedophiles have a preference in terms of the *** of their victims, and it does represent an attraction to that *** (but in many cases, it's hidden). This assumes we're talking about children (pre-adolescent) and not just minors. In the latter case, the alignment with adult sexual attraction would seem to be even more direct. I don't think it's surprising (or even particularly unusual) for a homosexual male to find 15 year old males attractive, any more than it would be for a heterosexual male to find 15 year old females attractive. One could argue that from a biological perspective, it would be strange for them not to. It's only because of social rules that we make a distinction in those cases at all.


When we're talking about children though, it's a slightly different ballgame. I happen to think that both sides are kinda arguing around the core issue though. The social pressures that may cause a *** male to hide his sexuality and then (potentially) seek his "dirty" pleasure with male children (whole host of reasons for that result btw) are frankly partly to blame on both groups. One side creates the social pressure, and the other works to hide the problem. Neither really helps.
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#56 Nov 14 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's accessibility to consider, too. Main reason why when someone mentions pedophilia the first thoughts into anyone's heads are Catholic Priests and Choir Boys and Scout Leaders and Boy Scouts and such.
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I suppose not many volunteer career paths give an old man sauna/hotub access to a room full of ten year old girls. But there's a bajillion stories of older male relatives molesting prepubescent females. Just harder to do it en masse.

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 3:45pm by Jophiel
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gbaji wrote:
I don't think it's surprising (or even particularly unusual) for a homosexual male to find 15 year old males attractive, any more than it would be for a heterosexual male to find 15 year old females attractive.

This wasn't about 15 year olds. This was about, among other things, Sandusky raping a ten year old boy in a shower. Attraction to post-pubescent minors is more accurately termed as ephebophilia.

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The social pressures that may cause a *** male to hide his sexuality and then (potentially) seek his "dirty" pleasure with male children (whole host of reasons for that result btw) are frankly partly to blame on both groups. One side creates the social pressure, and the other works to hide the problem. Neither really helps.

What "two groups" are you talking about here?

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 3:50pm by Jophiel
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#59 Nov 14 2011 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
It is a fact that there is a lot of "homosexual @#%^philia," as in young boys being exploited by men. This, however, doesn't work the way varus keeps telling himself it does. The gender of the child is immaterial. It's not that a person is attracted to males, and therefore touches male children, it's that a person is attracted to children and touches children. There is generally not a whole lot of sexual attraction to other adults in most cases. Are there a lot of cases in which someone who is normally attracted to the same adult *** touches a small child of either ***? No. There simply isn't. Not when compared to the whole of cases.


I'm not touching Varus' argument with a 10 foot pole, but I'm a bit confused by this post. I think it's pretty clear that most pedophiles have a preference in terms of the *** of their victims, and it does represent an attraction to that *** (but in many cases, it's hidden). This assumes we're talking about children (pre-adolescent) and not just minors. In the latter case, the alignment with adult sexual attraction would seem to be even more direct. I don't think it's surprising (or even particularly unusual) for a homosexual male to find 15 year old males attractive, any more than it would be for a heterosexual male to find 15 year old females attractive. One could argue that from a biological perspective, it would be strange for them not to. It's only because of social rules that we make a distinction in those cases at all.


When we're talking about children though, it's a slightly different ballgame. I happen to think that both sides are kinda arguing around the core issue though. The social pressures that may cause a *** male to hide his sexuality and then (potentially) seek his "dirty" pleasure with male children (whole host of reasons for that result btw) are frankly partly to blame on both groups. One side creates the social pressure, and the other works to hide the problem. Neither really helps.
You seem to be arguing something completely different from me. Unless psychological research has changed the popular view so much over the past year or so that it's in another direction entirely, pedophilia is seen as a mental disorder and a sexuality preference. The preference is not towards male or female children, but rather towards children generically. There can be preferences within this, but that doesn't translate to the person's sexuality necessarily. A heterosexual male can molest a male child without that reflecting his sexuality preference. The precise opposite can be said about a homosexual male. In many cases, the adult has no sexual preference for adults whatsoever; however, in some there is one, and it doesn't always match up. The point I was making is this: You won't find a large amount of cases dealing with someone who is homosexual and carries on normal relationships and ends up molesting children. It's completely separate. And tolerating one thing does not mean tolerating the other.
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#61 Nov 14 2011 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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I will second that most "liberal academics" hate and despise the sports programs. My husband went on a rightious Facebook rant about the subject the other day. He feels that all sports programs should end and universities should instead focus on the business of educating.

I think that was after he was stuck in football traffic here in Athens for about two hours.

No, what Virus's OP proves is that when you have a culture of Good Ol' Boyism, bad **** happens. And that's exactly what this was: Sandusky was a Good Ol' Boy. Fine, upstanding Republican. Friend of Bush! He ran a charity to help boys from broken homes! He'd never do anything like that. Surely the people whispering horrible things about him are just out to get him!
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He feels that all sports programs should end and universities should instead focus on the business of educating.
I guess he doesn't understand where the most donations to the schools come from, eh?
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#63 Nov 14 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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No, what Virus's OP proves is that when you have a culture of Good Ol' Boyism, bad sh*t happens. And that's exactly what this was: Sandusky was a Good Ol' Boy. Fine, upstanding Republican. Friend of Bush! He ran a charity to help boys from broken homes! He'd never do anything like that. Surely the people whispering horrible things about him are just out to get him!

Imagine if he ran for President!
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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He feels that all sports programs should end and universities should instead focus on the business of educating.
I guess he doesn't understand where the most donations to the schools come from, eh?

I'm not sure what you're after here. At my school the athletics department keeps its budget separate from the university.
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#65 Nov 14 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, Gbaji's crap is retarded enough that I'm not even going to dignify it with a response Smiley: oyvey
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#67 Nov 14 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Every once in a while, you say something that is so close-minded, so baseless, and so offensive, I'm left absolutely speechless.

Thanks for reminding me just how far your douchebaggery goes. I had forgotten.


Uh huh. So saying that the issue is more complex than "this side==bad; that side==good" is now douchebaggery, and closed-minded? Ever consider you're the one with the closed mind in that you're unwilling to see any faults at all in a group you've decided to champion in some way? There's fault enough to go around, so let's not make the same mistake that we're accusing all those folks at Penn State of doing (ignoring problems because they don't want the institution to look bad).


There's irony here somewhere, I'm sure.
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#68 Nov 14 2011 at 6:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Every once in a while, you say something that is so close-minded, so baseless, and so offensive, I'm left absolutely speechless.

Thanks for reminding me just how far your douchebaggery goes. I had forgotten.


Uh huh. So saying that the issue is more complex than "this side==bad; that side==good" is now douchebaggery, and closed-minded? Ever consider you're the one with the closed mind in that you're unwilling to see any faults at all in a group you've decided to champion in some way? There's fault enough to go around, so let's not make the same mistake that we're accusing all those folks at Penn State of doing (ignoring problems because they don't want the institution to look bad).


There's irony here somewhere, I'm sure.


There's no irony. There's no hypocrisy.

There's just you being a complete fucking idiot.
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There's no irony. There's no hypocrisy.

There's just you being a complete fucking idiot.


Why? For saying what you know is true but don't want said? For saying that all is not peaches and roses within the *** community? For saying that there are issues within said community (especially males) with regard to underage ***, coercive ***, and prostitution? For saying that there are cycles of such behavior in said community and that they do have some negative and destructive effects on members of said community?

Or are you most upset for correctly observing that there are many who, for what amount to political PR reasons, want very much for those things to not be made too public, and will actively dismiss any talk about them, ignore any data which might show a problem, and even attack those who dare to actually mention said problems (like you're doing right now btw)?


The irony is that the administrators, faculty, and god knows how many others at Penn State ignored/excused Sandusky for exactly the same reason you are attacking me. They didn't want negative publicity towards an institution they cared about and so they pretended the problem didn't exist and attacked anyone who might raise any questions. You really don't see how those are similar?
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#70 Nov 14 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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There's a veritable ton of things that are wrong with what you're saying. A ton. It's so much, that I know it's just going to be an exercise in extreme frustration to try to go through point-by-point with you.

Then add on the fact that you're about as likely to acknowledge the errors and offenses as **** is of freezing over.

It'd be a waste of time, and an unpleasant one at that.


But you do deserve to be called an asshole for it, and I'll happily do that. Kindly go fuck yourself.

Edited, Nov 14th 2011 7:47pm by Eske
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gbaji wrote:
Uh huh. So saying that the issue is more complex than "this side==bad; that side==good" is now douchebaggery, and closed-minded? Ever consider you're the one with the closed mind in that you're unwilling to see any faults at all in a group you've decided to champion in some way?

Really, the fact that you need to divide it into "teams" (or try to make it about homosexuals) is pathological enough.

Hint: everyone else was mocking Varus by talking about Republicans or whatever.
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#72 Nov 14 2011 at 6:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji, I hope you're trolling.
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catwho wrote:
He feels that all sports programs should end and universities should instead focus on the business of educating.
I guess he doesn't understand where the most donations to the schools come from, eh?

I'm not sure what you're after here. At my school the athletics department keeps its budget separate from the university.
Fair enough as it was poorly worded. What I should have said was "Do you have any idea how many donations are a result of the national exposure a school gets due to it's athletic departments?"
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#74 Nov 14 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Excellent
I always love it when Gbaji does his "I'm not agreeing with varrus or anything because I'm an independent thinker, but he's totally right" shtick.
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#75 Nov 14 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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catwho wrote:
He feels that all sports programs should end and universities should instead focus on the business of educating.
I guess he doesn't understand where the most donations to the schools come from, eh?

I'm not sure what you're after here. At my school the athletics department keeps its budget separate from the university.
Fair enough as it was poorly worded. What I should have said was "Do you have any idea how many donations are a result of the national exposure a school gets due to it's athletic departments?"


This'd be a great segway to a debate about the pros and cons of paying student athletes, and a much more interesting discussion.
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This'd be a great segway

And an even better segue Smiley: wink2
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