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#77 Nov 04 2011 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fact is it's a polarised argument, gbaji. You have to be one or the other.
Do you have to work at being this stupid?

In what way is this not polarised? You either support a woman's right to have an abortion, or you think it should be illegal. Where, exactly, is the middle ground?
The middle ground is not paying for someone else to get an abortion. I'm pro-choice, but I'm against it being covered by government funding. It's elective. I'd support some government funding in cases like rape victims and maybe a few select other scenarios, but by and large, if you want an abortion, it should be solely funded by you.
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#78 Nov 04 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
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Nilatai wrote:
Fact is it's a polarised argument, gbaji. You have to be one or the other.
Do you have to work at being this stupid?

In what way is this not polarised? You either support a woman's right to have an abortion, or you think it should be illegal. Where, exactly, is the middle ground?
The middle ground is not paying for someone else to get an abortion. I'm pro-choice, but I'm against it being covered by government funding. It's elective. I'd support some government funding in cases like rape victims and maybe a few select other scenarios, but by and large, if you want an abortion, it should be solely funded by you.

Fair enough. I personally would expand the category of who gets a "freebie", but I more or less agree with you.
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#79 Nov 04 2011 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nilatai wrote:
Fair enough. I personally would expand the category of who gets a "freebie", but I more or less agree with you.
That would be why I left in the "few select other scenarios" as rape was the only one that came to mind, but I know there'd be others I'd be sympathetic to. The point is that I'm not for blanket coverage.


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Fact is it's a polarised argument, gbaji. You have to be one or the other.
Do you have to work at being this stupid?

Just stop.
It's foreplay. Nilati knows I'm going to insult him in some way before discussing things with him.

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#80 Nov 04 2011 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Fair enough. I personally would expand the category of who gets a "freebie", but I more or less agree with you.
That would be why I left in the "few select other scenarios" as rape was the only one that came to mind, but I know there'd be others I'd be sympathetic to. The point is that I'm not for blanket coverage.
No reasonable person would be, that's why I added my addendum to my last post. Clarifying that I wasn't in support of terminations for the full term.


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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Fact is it's a polarised argument, gbaji. You have to be one or the other.
Do you have to work at being this stupid?

Just stop.
It's foreplay. Nilatai knows I'm going to insult him in some way before discussing things with him.


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#81 Nov 04 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Medical necessity" is my big one, and even then, the decision needs to be made by the woman and her doctor. Ectopic pregnancies are a classic case - there has only been one documented case in all of history of a woman not only surviving an untreated ectopic pregnancy but also giving birth to a healthy baby. 99.99999% of the time an untreated ectopic pregnancy leads to a miscarriage, and 99.9999% of those times, the death of the mother as well. (BBC calls the odds of survival one in a million.)
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#82 Nov 04 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Abortion?

Sometime I wonder why men think they are entitled to an opinion on something that is predominately a girly issue anyway. Smiley: rolleyes
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Sometime I wonder why men think they are entitled to an opinion on something that is predominately a girly issue anyway. Smiley: rolleyes

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#84 Nov 04 2011 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Sometime I wonder why men think they are entitled to an opinion on something that is predominately a girly issue anyway. Smiley: rolleyes

Did you think babies come from the cabbage patch?


They don't? Smiley: dubious

*shrugs*

Can't say kids have affected my life nearly as much as my wife's. I still have the same job, same hours, and such. If she said she wanted to have an abortion instead of another kid I don't think I could/should stand in her way as she's shouldered more of the load up to this point.
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Can we make this thread about lasagna too?
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If she said she wanted to have an abortion instead of another kid I don't think I could/should stand in her way as she's shouldered more of the load up to this point.

I agree and use that as the same argument against the "Well, both parties should have to agree for her to have an abortion" arguments. I do think that abortion as a general issue is something for the whole of society to decide on though.

More pragmatically, the bulk of the nation's lawmakers are male and about half of the voting population is male so I've always thought the "You guys don't get an opinion" argument was a stupid and counterproductive one anyway if women actually want their opinion supported.
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#87 Nov 04 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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I've always believed their opinion should be considered but the final decision goes to the one that has the extra human being in her stomach for the majority of a year.
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#88 Nov 04 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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I've always believed their opinion should be considered but the final decision goes to the one that has the extra human being in her stomach for the majority of a year.


And, very likely, the majority of the next eighteen.
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I've always believed their opinion should be considered but the final decision goes to the one that has the extra human being in her stomach for the majority of a year.


This. I wish the burden could be shared more, but until men grow wombs that can't happen.
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So the solution to the abortion debate (at least this part of it) is create an artificial womb where men who really want to have a baby when the wife doesn't want to can gestate it instead? Sort of like a seahorse.
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Do seahorses practice abortion?
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#92 Nov 04 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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So the solution to the abortion debate (at least this part of it) is create an artificial womb where men who really want to have a baby when the wife doesn't want to can gestate it instead? Sort of like a seahorse.


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As the saying goes, if men were the ones that got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
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Schwarzenegger's acting career certainly is.
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#95 Nov 04 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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At the risk of distracting this from a potential lasagna thread:

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The choice isn't, shouldn't be, & hopefully will never be yours to make, dick. I thought you were for small government? Why the **** should the government tell a woman she CAN'T get an abortion?


Um... For the same reason why the government can tell anyone that they can't steal my car? Unless you take the absolute position that a fetus has zero rights at all until the moment of birth, then the issue of competing rights comes into play. And, as I have explained numerous times, the government can (and must) intervene to decide how those competing rights cases should be resolved. In the same way that a thief's right to be unhindered in his acquisition of property is countered by my right not to have my property taken from me, a womans right to control her body can be countered by a fetus's right to live.


Unless, of course, you believe that a fetus has zero right to live at any point during a pregnancy. Which, while a valid position, is an incredibly unpopular one, especially in the US. ****, Roe v. Wade doesn't go that far. No federal level politician that I can think of would *ever* argue for elective abortion to the moment of birth (and if he did, he could kiss his career good bye). What I'm saying isn't radical, it's mainstream. It just seems like some people are so caught up with "picking a side" that they don't see that the realistic answers to this issue lie in the middle.

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a womans right to control her body can be countered by a fetus's right to live.


Right, a fetus. Obviously an embryo has no rights. Glad you came around to the winning team.
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God **** it gbaji stop replying to other threads and tell me what rights you have as a US citizen that I do not as a Brit. Yes, cross thread shenanigans but I really want to know.
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#101 Nov 04 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do seahorses practice abortion?


No, but the males do the gestation while the females hit the bars and avoid child support.

Edited, Nov 4th 2011 6:33pm by Belkira
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