The Starting DebateFollow

Fair enough. I personally would expand the category of who gets a "freebie", but I more or less agree with you.

No reasonable person would be, that's why I added my addendum to my last post. Clarifying that I wasn't in support of terminations for the full term.

Abortion?

Sometime I wonder why men think they are entitled to an opinion on something that is predominately a girly issue anyway.

They don't?

*shrugs*

Can't say kids have affected my life nearly as much as my wife's. I still have the same job, same hours, and such. If she said she wanted to have an abortion instead of another kid I don't think I could/should stand in her way as she's shouldered more of the load up to this point.

I agree and use that as the same argument against the "Well, both parties should have to agree for her to have an abortion" arguments. I do think that abortion as a general issue is something for the whole of society to decide on though.

More pragmatically, the bulk of the nation's lawmakers are male and about half of the voting population is male so I've always thought the "You guys don't get an opinion" argument was a stupid and counterproductive one anyway if women actually want their opinion supported.

And, very likely, the majority of the next eighteen.

So the solution to the abortion debate (at least this part of it) is create an artificial womb where men who really want to have a baby when the wife doesn't want to can gestate it instead? Sort of like a seahorse.

Nothing is inconceivable


Edited, Nov 4th 2011 12:05pm by stupidmonkey

Schwarzenegger's acting career certainly is.

EDIT: Reading comprehension fails

Edited, Nov 4th 2011 2:01pm by stupidmonkey

At the risk of distracting this from a potential lasagna thread:



Um... For the same reason why the government can tell anyone that they can't steal my car? Unless you take the absolute position that a fetus has zero rights at all until the moment of birth, then the issue of competing rights comes into play. And, as I have explained numerous times, the government can (and must) intervene to decide how those competing rights cases should be resolved. In the same way that a thief's right to be unhindered in his acquisition of property is countered by my right not to have my property taken from me, a womans right to control her body can be countered by a fetus's right to live.


Unless, of course, you believe that a fetus has zero right to live at any point during a pregnancy. Which, while a valid position, is an incredibly unpopular one, especially in the US. Hell, Roe v. Wade doesn't go that far. No federal level politician that I can think of would *ever* argue for elective abortion to the moment of birth (and if he did, he could kiss his career good bye). What I'm saying isn't radical, it's mainstream. It just seems like some people are so caught up with "picking a side" that they don't see that the realistic answers to this issue lie in the middle.

Edited, Nov 4th 2011 3:59pm by gbaji

God damn it gbaji stop replying to other threads and tell me what rights you have as a US citizen that I do not as a Brit. Yes, cross thread shenanigans but I really want to know.