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#102 Nov 04 2011 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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God **** it gbaji stop replying to other threads and tell me what rights you have as a US citizen that I do not as a Brit.


Surely you don't think there aren't any, right? I hope that's not the point of the exercise. The restrictions on speech alone in the UK relative to the US would take a while to articulate.

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God **** it gbaji stop replying to other threads and tell me what rights you have as a US citizen that I do not as a Brit.


Surely you don't think there aren't any, right? I hope that's not the point of the exercise. The restrictions on speech alone in the UK relative to the US would take a while to articulate.



Don't think they have Miranda rights (or similar of course) in the UK either. Or was that just France? My understanding is that most of Europe doesn't provide the same rights to those accused or suspected of a crime as we do in the US. Was that actually a serious question? Guess I should stop working and run directly to that other thread then!
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Don't think they have Miranda rights (or similar of course) in the UK either. Or was that just France
Oh for two. They both have equivalents.
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The UK has a right to silence, yes. As well as due process, an attorney, jury by peers, against cruel and unusual punishment, against unlawful search and seizure without evidence, etc.

They also have the Right to Education, which we lack--it falls to the parents to provide for a child's education. If a child gets kicked out, then it's on the parent to get them education. And the laws guaranteeing education for special needs children are far from awesome in the US. We also have failed to provide easy access to higher education, especially with regards to minority groups.

They have the Right of Gender Recognition, which we lack. Transsexual peoples are able to amend their birth certificates and marry the opposite gender (which won't matter soon, since they are quickly moving towards allowing for same-sex marriages). It is also important to note that the UK doesn't demand that your sexual organs match your legal gender.

There's also the Right to Housing, which we lack completely. This is the hardest for them to enforce, but it does give legal recourse to people who find themselves homeless, especially if they are a priority candidate.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The UK has a right to silence, yes. As well as due process, an attorney, jury by peers, against cruel and unusual punishment, against unlawful search and seizure without evidence, etc.


Ok. Fair enough. No right to bear arms though. Less rights regarding free speech, privacy, property, etc. I honestly don't feel like going through every minute detail of the respective laws, doubly so on a semi-strawman aspect of the issue. I was speaking more directly of infringements on liberty via property confiscation (taxes), and the much more accepted practice of redistribution of the fruits of the people's labors in the UK compared to the US.

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They also have the Right to Education, which we lack--it falls to the parents to provide for a child's education. If a child gets kicked out, then it's on the parent to get them education. And the laws guaranteeing education for special needs children are far from awesome in the US. We also have failed to provide easy access to higher education, especially with regards to minority groups.

They have the Right of Gender Recognition, which we lack. Transsexual peoples are able to amend their birth certificates and marry the opposite gender (which won't matter soon, since they are quickly moving towards allowing for same-sex marriages). It is also important to note that the UK doesn't demand that your sexual organs match your legal gender.

There's also the Right to Housing, which we lack completely. This is the hardest for them to enforce, but it does give legal recourse to people who find themselves homeless, especially if they are a priority candidate.


None of those are rights. Or, more correctly, they are not rights when the involve the state giving you something. They are rights if we're talking about preventing the state (or another person) from taking those things away.
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The right to bear arms is looked upon as a curse, not a freedom by most western nations.

Edited, Nov 4th 2011 11:00pm by Uglysasquatch
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The UK has a right to silence, yes. As well as due process, an attorney, jury by peers, against cruel and unusual punishment, against unlawful search and seizure without evidence, etc.


Ok. Fair enough. No right to bear arms though. Less rights regarding free speech, privacy, property, etc. I honestly don't feel like going through every minute detail of the respective laws, doubly so on a semi-strawman aspect of the issue. I was speaking more directly of infringements on liberty via property confiscation (taxes), and the much more accepted practice of redistribution of the fruits of the people's labors in the UK compared to the US.

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They also have the Right to Education, which we lack--it falls to the parents to provide for a child's education. If a child gets kicked out, then it's on the parent to get them education. And the laws guaranteeing education for special needs children are far from awesome in the US. We also have failed to provide easy access to higher education, especially with regards to minority groups.

They have the Right of Gender Recognition, which we lack. Transsexual peoples are able to amend their birth certificates and marry the opposite gender (which won't matter soon, since they are quickly moving towards allowing for same-sex marriages). It is also important to note that the UK doesn't demand that your sexual organs match your legal gender.

There's also the Right to Housing, which we lack completely. This is the hardest for them to enforce, but it does give legal recourse to people who find themselves homeless, especially if they are a priority candidate.


None of those are rights. Or, more correctly, they are not rights when the involve the state giving you something. They are rights if we're talking about preventing the state (or another person) from taking those things away.


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The right to bear arms is looked upon as a curse, not a freedom by most western nations.


What's funny is that they DO have the right to bare arms. I only listed rights specifically with regards to the accused.

And gbaji, stop being @#%^ing stupid. No one gives a **** about what you define "rights" as. The rest of us are going to work with the actual definition of the word.

And your definition is not only wrong, it's just dumb. What exactly is a right against illegal seizure if not a right protecting you from having the gov't take?

I'm not going to play your game.

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Idiggory, you just don't get it. The only thing that matters here is how the UK taxes people more and that's all sorts of wrong and especially when that money gets spent on horrible things like keeping the people living in the UK healthy, educated and not homeless.

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Can we make this thread about lasagna too?
How about crock pot recipes? Or easy ways to jazz up cake mix cakes to make them taste like they were made from scratch?
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So basically, your whole definition of freedom rests solely on appropriation of funds from taxes? I thought you said it wasn't about money, gbaji?


edit: Firearms. Unless what you're getting at is we can't use guns where there are likely to be a shitload of other people. Seems like the right law, to me.

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Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
Can we make this thread about lasagna too?
How about crock pot recipes? Or easy ways to jazz up cake mix cakes to make them taste like they were made from scratch?
Was gonna respond with a thing about canned pumpkin, but my relief is here and I need to get going. Will edit this when I get home, but needed a reminder.

Edit: For the cake thing, try this with a few drops of mint extract. It won't taste quite like scratch, but it'll be tasty.

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Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
Can we make this thread about lasagna too?
How about crock pot recipes? Or easy ways to jazz up cake mix cakes to make them taste like they were made from scratch?
Was gonna respond with a thing about canned pumpkin, but my relief is here and I need to get going. Will edit this when I get home, but needed a reminder.

Why edit when you can just +1? Edits are only acceptable when you have inadvertently made yourself look foolish.
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Can we make this thread about lasagna too?
How about crock pot recipes? Or easy ways to jazz up cake mix cakes to make them taste like they were made from scratch?
I like to make beef stew in the crock pot. Also, "baked" beans. Also also, pulled pork (I don't have a smoker).
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I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.
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Chilli, slow cooked chilli is awesome.
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I don't really feel like going to the store, and don't have what I'd need to make it. I do have some chili from my last batch frozen, though. But having a slow cooker warming/scenting my apartment sounds really good right now.

I might make a chick pea curry or something... Or maybe just a tomato sauce and I'll make ravioli tonight. Hmmmm...
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Go for the ravioli, the only use for chick peas is hummus.
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Falafel is delicious too. Though I suppose it's kinda like fried hummus.

And I think I will go for the sauce.
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Excellent, be sure to add basil.
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Basil's the sh*t. I would eat a @#%^ing salad of basil.


My basil plants did not do well this year. I got maybe 2 leafs, and that was it. Wierd cold weather we had all year this year.
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I don't have a garden (or a yard, lol), so my basil plant was protected by the walls of my apartment. :P But I don't have enough room for too many plants, so I only have one. Depending on what I'm making, I'll use various combinations of dried/fresh.
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I can't do basil. Too sweet.
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There are different varieties of basil, some are much sweeter than others. I tend to like a little sweet basil on top of a Salmon fillet, but for most other things I prefer the more savory varieties.
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I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.


Well, if you happen to have chicken and geuze beer in your house, they make for a magnificent combination. (www.een.be/programmas/dagelijkse-kost/recepten/stoofpotje-van-kip-en-oude-geuzeI know, it's in Dutch, but it's a magnificent recipe)

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Nope, no beer. :P And only one chicken breast in my freezer, lol. I generally don't make much meat, since I abhor trimming it but refuse to pay the price for someone else to do it for me. :P

And basil with fresh tomatoes and some mozzerella, with a touch of oregano and balsamic vinegar, on some nice crisp bread is ABSOLUTELY DIVINE.

To be fair, it's really hard to go wrong if you take a minimalist approach to a fresh tomato.

I've also recently discovered that arugula on pizza is really f*cking delicious.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.


Well, if you happen to have chicken and geuze beer in your house, they make for a magnificent combination. (www.een.be/programmas/dagelijkse-kost/recepten/stoofpotje-van-kip-en-oude-geuzeI know, it's in Dutch, but it's a magnificent recipe)

It's a shame that Geuze is kind of hard to get here (aside from Boon) but that looks like a very nice recipe. Definitely going to try that out sometime.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.


Well, if you happen to have chicken and geuze beer in your house, they make for a magnificent combination. (www.een.be/programmas/dagelijkse-kost/recepten/stoofpotje-van-kip-en-oude-geuzeI know, it's in Dutch, but it's a magnificent recipe)

It's a shame that Geuze is kind of hard to get here (aside from Boon) but that looks like a very nice recipe. Definitely going to try that out sometime.

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.


Well, if you happen to have chicken and geuze beer in your house, they make for a magnificent combination. (www.een.be/programmas/dagelijkse-kost/recepten/stoofpotje-van-kip-en-oude-geuzeI know, it's in Dutch, but it's a magnificent recipe)

It's a shame that Geuze is kind of hard to get here (aside from Boon) but that looks like a very nice recipe. Definitely going to try that out sometime.

Translate you bastige!
I tried but it's a royal pain in the **** since there's so much words in there that I don't know the English translation for and a lot of Flemish words as well which makes it harder. I'll continue with translating if nobody else does it/I'm a little clearer in my head.

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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'm totally gonna slow cook something today. I just don't know what.


Well, if you happen to have chicken and geuze beer in your house, they make for a magnificent combination. (www.een.be/programmas/dagelijkse-kost/recepten/stoofpotje-van-kip-en-oude-geuzeI know, it's in Dutch, but it's a magnificent recipe)

It's a shame that Geuze is kind of hard to get here (aside from Boon) but that looks like a very nice recipe. Definitely going to try that out sometime.

Translate you bastige!
I tried but it's a royal pain in the **** since there's so much words in there that I don't know the English translation for and a lot of Flemish words as well which makes it harder. I'll continue with translating if nobody else does it/I'm a little clearer in my head.


M'kay I'll let you off, until later! Smiley: grin
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According to Chrome's translator, this is the recipe:

Ingredients
the stew:
A farm chicken (whether or not cut)
4 onions
4 strips bacon (0.5 cm thick)
2 bottles of 37,5 cl Beggar
2 slices of gingerbread spread with spicy mustard
1 tablespoon butter
1 tablespoon flour (smoothed)
fresh thyme
parsley steal
fresh bay
500 g waxy potatoes
pepper
salt
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cress
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the stew:
Put a large casserole over medium heat and let the pat of butter melt.

With a sharp knife grinder you farm chicken. Remove the bolts off and cut them in two. Remove chicken breast from the rest of the carcass and cut into 4 large pieces. Hint: The carcass and wings can be used to a good distance from them.


Cook the **** and cut bolts with a good knob of butter. Season with salt and pepper.

Make her beautiful golden brown on all sides (it takes about 5 to 7 minutes).

Peel the onions and chop coarsely.

Spoon the chicken from the pot and keep warm.

In the same pot, let the onions are brown. So there is no taste lost.

Cut the slices of smoked bacon. (Remove most cartilage, because hard pieces on your plate are not tasty.) Leave the oven with the bacon most onions.

In order to ensure a good bond, sprinkle the flour over the onions and bacon. Just stir and let simmer about 5 minutes over medium heat.

Now you have time to make a bouquet garni to compose some parsley stalks, a few bay leaves and some sprigs of thyme. Put the chicken back in the jar with the bouquet garni. Let certainly the gravy of the chicken are not lost and cast them there.

Time for the Beggars! Let the beer flow freely. The chicken should not be just. What remains can taste the cook service.

To stew a more spicy touch, choose Jeroen gingerbread slices of bread instead. Brush the gingerbread with a generous layer of spicy mustard. Like the bread, the gingerbread sauce for your loyalty.

Let everything is a half hour on low heat simmer.

Salt and pepper to taste, you can.

To the court an extra festive touch to, you can use the potatoes you serve there in barrels shells, as in the preparation of pommes chateau. The flavor will not change, but it looks also count.

Boil them in water with a pinch of salt.
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Serve with a generous portion of deep brown sauce and potatoes. Finally, garnish with some cress. Enjoy!
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The chicken should not be just.



The chicken should be evil and unfair!
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#145 Nov 06 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:

Salt and pepper to taste, you can.



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#146 Nov 06 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
According to Chrome's translator, this is the recipe:

Ingredients
the stew:
A farm chicken (whether or not cut)
4 onions
4 strips bacon (0.5 cm thick)
2 bottles of 37,5 cl Beggar (no idea why this was chosen, it's Geuze beer, not sure you'll find it though, it's quite a special beer, very bitter tasting.)
2 slices of gingerbread spread with spicy mustard
1 tablespoon butter
1 tablespoon flour (smoothed)
fresh thyme
parsley steal
fresh bay
500 g waxy potatoes
pepper
salt
finish:
cress
preparation
the stew:
Put a large casserole over medium heat and let the pat of butter melt.

With a sharp knife grinder you farm chicken. Remove the bolts off and cut them in two. Remove chicken breast from the rest of the carcass and cut into 4 large pieces. Hint: The carcass and wings can be used to a good distance from them.


Cook the **** and cut bolts with a good knob of butter. Season with salt and pepper.

Make her beautiful golden brown on all sides (it takes about 5 to 7 minutes).

Peel the onions and chop coarsely.

Spoon the chicken from the pot and keep warm.

In the same pot, let the onions are brown. So there is no taste lost.

Cut the slices of smoked bacon. (Remove most cartilage, because hard pieces on your plate are not tasty.) Leave the oven with the bacon most onions.

In order to ensure a good bond, sprinkle the flour over the onions and bacon. Just stir and let simmer about 5 minutes over medium heat.

Now you have time to make a bouquet garni to compose some parsley stalks, a few bay leaves and some sprigs of thyme. Put the chicken back in the jar with the bouquet garni. Let certainly the gravy of the chicken are not lost and cast them there.

Time for the Beggars! Let the beer flow freely. The chicken should not be just. What remains can taste the cook service.

To stew a more spicy touch, choose Jeroen gingerbread slices of bread instead. Brush the gingerbread with a generous layer of spicy mustard. Like the bread, the gingerbread sauce for your loyalty. (hilariously translated to be honest, it might sound better like this: "to give the stew a spicy touch, Jeroen choses gingerbread slices instead of bread. Smear a generous layer of spicy mustard on the gingerbread. Like bread, the gingerbread with the mustard will help thicken/bind the sauce.")

Let everything is a half hour on low heat simmer.

Salt and pepper to taste, you can.

To the court an extra festive touch to, you can use the potatoes you serve there in barrels shells, as in the preparation of pommes chateau. The flavor will not change, but it looks also count.

Boil them in water with a pinch of salt.
finish:
Serve with a generous portion of deep brown sauce and potatoes. Finally, garnish with some cress. Enjoy!


It's fairly clear, some really odd translations though, I have no idea why that translator changed word order like that.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
According to Chrome's translator, this is the recipe:
The chicken should not be just.
The chicken should be evil and unfair!
Do not eat chicken unless it was convicted of a felony.
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#148 Nov 06 2011 at 7:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
Nadenu wrote:

Salt and pepper to taste, you can.



Cooking with Yoda. Smiley: grin

I thought the same thing Smiley: laugh
#149 Nov 07 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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This one is a Belgian classic, easy to make and doesn't require that much work.

As with the previous recipe, I used Google translator. Apart from one sentence that doesn't make much sense, it's pretty clear.

Recipe Ghent waterzooi

Ingredients for the broth:
1 chicken (in pieces)
80 g butter
1 leek
2 celery stalks
1 large carrot
1 large onion
(coarse cut vegetables)
Salt and pepper
1 clove garlic
a few bay leaves / sprigs thyme / parsley stalks several

Ingredients for the waterzooi:
an egg yolk
1.5 dl cream
2 carrots
2 leeks (white only)
2 celery stalks
(vegetables in julienne)
6 coarsely chopped potatoes
freshly chopped parsley


First we prepare the broth:
Stew the vegetables and onion in butter.
The chicken seasoning with salt and pepper.
Add chicken (large pieces)
Let it all simmer for about 10.
Add bay leaf, parsley stems and thyme.
Add water and simmer for half an hour until the chicken is cooked.

Then we prepare the waterzooi:
Stew the vegetables and potatoes in butter.
Remove the chicken from the broth, strip it from the sheet (ie: remove the skin) and merge (ie: add) them with stewed vegetables
Strain the broth and pour over the whole.
Add the cream and let simmer about 10 minutes
Whip cream with the egg yolk and add.
Just stir it well and sprinkle with parsley


Quite delicious, definitely worth it.
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#150 Nov 08 2011 at 2:50 AM Rating: Good
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I love the name of that dish <3
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