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#1 Oct 25 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Sub-Default
Can you believe this?


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/10/24/failed-democrat-pol-sues-critics-over-election-loss

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According to Driehaus, who was one of that group, what the Susan B. Anthony List said in its public communications amounted to a malicious lie that contributed to his defeat. Amazingly, rather than laugh the suit out of court U.S. District Court judge Timothy S. Black, an Obama appointee, is allowing it to go forward.


The Obamastapo at work.


#2 Oct 25 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think he'll have a hard time proving that his inclusion on the list directly contributed to his electoral loss. He'd do better (although it's still kind of silly) arguing that his inclusion on the list was libelous.

Edit: Also, even if the court ruled in his favor, I seriously doubt that they could overturn the election results. The most likely outcome of a ruling in favor of the plaintiff would be a monetary award. This is kind of like the woman who sued McDonald's because they didn't explicitly warn her that her coffee was hot. "What, you mean people with differing political views might try to discredit me during an election? That's insanity; sue the bastards!"

Edited, Oct 25th 2011 2:09pm by Demea
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If they did lie, then so be it. I see no reason to not sue someone for slander (or libel, if it was written). Besides the massive avalanche of court cases, it would actually be kinda nice to hold people accountable for what they say during elections.

Edit: I couldn't quite get from this article if that's what he was suing for, though. Or what exactly the group lied about. It also had no references or backup, so a bit tough to find out more.


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 3:06pm by LockeColeMA
#4 Oct 25 2011 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and I thought this topic would be about Biden, who apparently filed an official complaint against a journalist who pushed him on a comment he made. I guess the complaint is to see if he broke any rules because the guy used a false pretext to talk to him and then launched into the controversial comments.

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As the vice president left the Russell caucus room, Mattera weaved his way through the entourage, shook Biden’s hand and asked him to pose for a photo. While shaking Biden’s hand, Mattera asked him if he felt “regret using a rape reference to describe Republican opposition to the president’s bill.”


Edited, Oct 25th 2011 3:12pm by LockeColeMA
#5 Oct 25 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Quick read knee-jerk opinion:

The judge should recuse himself. Let the trial go forward.

If it's just a difference of opinion it wont get anywhere anyway. If it comes down to slanderous or untrue statements then we could use less of that in politics anyway. Really I can't see this going anywhere from what I read, but I doubt I'm seeing all the details from that opinion piece.
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On a side note, I voted against Driehaus to help get him out of office. Yes, he was that bad of a candidate.
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On a side note, I voted against Driehaus to help get him out of office. Yes, he was that bad of a candidate.

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Edited, Oct 25th 2011 3:26pm by lolgaxe
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On a side note, I voted against Driehaus to help get him out of office. Yes, he was that bad of a candidate.

Why do you hate women's rights? Smiley: mad

While I suspect you're joking, I can't support 1 good thing over all of the other bad things.
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#11 Oct 25 2011 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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Without reading it, you're American. Why would you be shocked over someone suing someone over something stupid? Isn't that basically how you people settle all of your disputes?
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#12 Oct 25 2011 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
If they did lie, then so be it. I see no reason to not sue someone for slander (or libel, if it was written). Besides the massive avalanche of court cases, it would actually be kinda nice to hold people accountable for what they say during elections.

Edit: I couldn't quite get from this article if that's what he was suing for, though. Or what exactly the group lied about. It also had no references or backup, so a bit tough to find out more.


Barring them actually having said something substantially untrue about him directly, this case should not even have moved forward at all (you're correct that the article is unclear on specifics like what exactly they said and even what phase the trial is in). From what I can read (again assuming we're getting the gist of the whole issue), there's no grounds to sue at all. Even if his allegations are true, there's no slander in a group with a political agenda saying that some politician is someone they disagree with and asking people not to vote for that politician. That's called free speech and is presumably protected.


It can't be a "lie" because the group itself clearly has the right to decide if they believe that a politicians actions are in opposition to their own. A third party, much less the politician himself don't have any say in the matter. The voters get to decide if they agree with the organization's portrayal of him, and in this case it looks like they did. This should be thrown out on standing alone.


What's bothersome by this is that it does create a chilling effect on political speech. If some judge gets to decide whose opinion is "true" then that amounts to picking a side and using the judiciaries own biases to infringe political speech. That's a scary dangerous precedent to set.
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#13 Oct 25 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
Suing over lost elections/appointments has been a staple of American politics since Marbury vs Madison.
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Suing over lost elections/appointments has been a staple of American politics since Marbury vs Madison.


You do realize that case had absolutely nothing to do with elections or appointments, right? Well, it did in the same way that the McDonald's suit mentioned earlier was about coffee (not very much). It certainly isn't even remotely relevant to someone suing because he lost an election due to political opponents encouraging people to not vote for him. I'm frankly unsure how one can even begin to make such a political claim with a straight face.
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Without reading it, you're American. Why would you be shocked over someone suing someone over something stupid? Isn't that basically how you people settle all of your disputes?

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Edit: I couldn't quite get from this article if that's what he was suing for, though. Or what exactly the group lied about. It also had no references or backup, so a bit tough to find out more.

Right-wing columnist at right-leaning publication gives vague assertions while whining about Democrats. News at 11.
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Gbaji,

Of course she doesn't realize that.


I'm curious does this mean the GOP field can now sue the Obama camp for saying the GOP wants dirty water and polluted air for americans?

What exactly is the Obama camp?
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I bet Camp Clinton was way more fun.
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#23 Oct 25 2011 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm willing to bet his court filing was more detailed than that editorial if it makes you feel better.
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I'm willing to bet his court filing was more detailed than that editorial if it makes you feel better.


Which in all probability still does not justify the decision of the judge in this case. Even just allowing the case to continue beyond the "file and reject" phase has a chilling effect on free speech. What now? Everyone who expresses a political opinion about an election or a candidate in an election has to come in and defend himself in court?
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