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#1 Oct 21 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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Members of the Anonymous hacktivist movement are claiming responsibility for taking down more than 40 secret child-pornography websites and leaking the names of more than 1,500 members of one of the illegal sites.


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#2 Oct 21 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ruh roh, I sense internal war between Anon factions.
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#5 Oct 21 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty ******* cool if you ask me.
#6 Oct 21 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty @#%^ing cool if you ask me.


Dangerous for the hacker though. Since they are now linked to the website, any investigation towards the users of that website would show their access.

Seems like various people, less able to conceal their tracks, will think they can just fire up Denial of Service attacks on these places and once the true authorities get involved... possibly bad things.

I'm afraid of the whole CP thing on the internet. I'd much rather be caught with 100s of thousands of dollars of pirated games and movies than with any bit of child pornography on my computer. I'd steer clear of anything dealing with it on the internet, even if it was just an attack to try and take down the servers.
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#7 Oct 21 2011 at 6:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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They (Used to? Still? I stopped following a while ago. Adjust sentence accordingly.) trolled Westboro for a while, so I at least enjoy that.
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#8 Oct 21 2011 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Peimei wrote:
I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty @#%^ing cool if you ask me.

A guy who acts like a dipshit with occasional flashes of quasi-brilliance is still pretty much a dipshit.
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#9 Oct 21 2011 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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A guy who acts like a dipshit with occasional flashes of quasi-brilliance is still pretty much a dipshit.


This sums up pretty much the entire next generation it feels like.
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#10 Oct 21 2011 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR wrote:
I'm afraid of the whole CP thing on the internet. I'd much rather be caught with 100s of thousands of dollars of pirated games and movies than with any bit of child pornography on my computer. I'd steer clear of anything dealing with it on the internet, even if it was just an attack to try and take down the servers.

I feel the same way. Sometimes it worries me, that if for whatever reason some LEA decides to check out my computer that some random video in my **** collection could be construed as CP and I'd be screwed. So I will occasionally decide to go through and purge my stash, but after ten minutes I'm spent, and go back to trolling forums.
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#11 Oct 21 2011 at 10:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Peimei wrote:
I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty @#%^ing cool if you ask me.

A guy who acts like a dipshit with occasional flashes of quasi-brilliance is still pretty much a dipshit.

No, pretty sure that's the basis of the show House
#12 Oct 22 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Peimei wrote:
I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty @#%^ing cool if you ask me.

A guy who acts like a dipshit with occasional flashes of quasi-brilliance is still pretty much a dipshit.

No, pretty sure that's the basis of the show House

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#13 Oct 22 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Peimei wrote:
I realize alot of what Anon does is kinda laughable, but this particular act is pretty @#%^ing cool if you ask me.

A guy who acts like a dipshit with occasional flashes of quasi-brilliance is still pretty much a dipshit.

No, pretty sure that's the basis of the show House


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#14 Oct 24 2011 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Dangerous for the hacker though. Since they are now linked to the website, any investigation towards the users of that website would show their access.


I could be (completely) wrong, but I don't think accessing a site with illegal materials is illegal as long as you don't actually download any illegal material. It is primarily distribution that is illegal, to a lesser extent the downloading of illegal material. e.g., in the case of movie pirating, it is not illegal to stream a pirated movie at an online host. What the distributor is doing is illegal, and were you to download that movie, you would then be in "possession" of stolen material, which would also be illegal. Material that you view online is not in your possession, and I don't think you can be charged with visiting a site anymore than you can be charged for accidentally walking in on something that would otherwise be illegal for you to see.

Though certainly there's potential for other dangers aside from conviction.
#15 Oct 24 2011 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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From a computer's point of view, Downloading the file to save, and "streaming" are exactly the same. All the data is sent to your computer. Just the first stores it as a file, the other just temporarily stores it to watch (usually as a file that is deleted after it's no longer needed).

There is really no difference between the two. And there are many programs that take that streaming data in a temporary file and let you transfer it to a file in a location of your choosing that won't be deleted when finished.

Just because you stream illegal things doesn't make it any less illegal. Yes, unauthorized distribution of copyrighted software is against the law, but that includes sending and receiving. But this is not just copyright infringement, this is illegal material. The reason why unauthorized distribution is the bad guy in copyrighted software, is because that is what the law specifies as illegal.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly positive that when they get info from a server and its visitors it won't say "XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX Ip downloaded this file, but they didn't save it to their computer, they just streamed it, or just viewed it in their browser and then closed the browser to eliminate any traces of it on their computer, so that's OK!"

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 7:37am by TirithRR
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#17 Oct 25 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Again I could be completely wrong, but legally I don't think the person would be in any danger. Law enforcement could trace the IPs that accessed the illegal content and probably get a warrant, yes, but I don't think they can actually bring up charges without going to your house and finding the files on your computer. If you're distributing, then obviously you're in a much more vulnerable position.
#18 Oct 25 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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but I don't think they can actually bring up charges without going to your house and finding the files on your computer.


Somehow I think "Deleting it when you are done" is not going to save you from any trouble.

Obviously I'm not a legal expert in cyber crimes, but I find it hard to believe you could do illegal activities and get off (no pun intended) scot-free if you just make sure the deleted everything so they can't find it afterward.
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#19 Oct 26 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent
If the remnants of the temporary file are still on your hard drive (which it would be, until it is overwritten), then you are in possession. Typically, when a file is deleted, whether temporary or manually deleted, all the info remains on the drive, just the pointer to the files are removed. FBI, state police, sheriff's depts., etc. can easily see deleted files that haven't been completely overwritten.
#20 Oct 26 2011 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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#21 Oct 27 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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If the remnants of the temporary file are still on your hard drive (which it would be, until it is overwritten), then you are in possession. Typically, when a file is deleted, whether temporary or manually deleted, all the info remains on the drive, just the pointer to the files are removed. FBI, state police, sheriff's depts., etc. can easily see deleted files that haven't been completely overwritten.


Right, you're in possession of that file, but if that file isn't illegal material itself, but rather evidence of access to illegal material, then you're not in possession of illegal material. e.g., when you stream something, your computer isn't saving any of that material-- there's no way for you to access it later on an offline computer (at least normally), correct? That's what I'm talking about. Again, I could be wrong; that's just my amateur interpretation of the law (which is itself probably muddled since actual cases are rare).

I've never heard of someone being arrested and charged for illegal material on their computer without the police having found it on the computer-- I can't say if "found it on their computer" refers to the actual illegal material, or just proof of the computer having accessed illegal material. I can say that I've never heard of anyone being busted by having their IP traced... usually their computer is seized due to being investigated for other charges. However, that may just be a law enforcement logistic issue, and not a matter of any actual legal absolution.
#22 Oct 27 2011 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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If the remnants of the temporary file are still on your hard drive (which it would be, until it is overwritten), then you are in possession. Typically, when a file is deleted, whether temporary or manually deleted, all the info remains on the drive, just the pointer to the files are removed. FBI, state police, sheriff's depts., etc. can easily see deleted files that haven't been completely overwritten.


Right, you're in possession of that file, but if that file isn't illegal material itself, but rather evidence of access to illegal material, then you're not in possession of illegal material. e.g., when you stream something, your computer isn't saving any of that material-- there's no way for you to access it later on an offline computer (at least normally), correct? That's what I'm talking about. Again, I could be wrong; that's just my amateur interpretation of the law (which is itself probably muddled since actual cases are rare).


When you stream something, your computer still downloads it and still stores the data its streaming in a temporary file (or files). Those files are deleted after the data is done streaming (or some buffer point, depending on the software), but it's still located on your computer, no matter how you access it. Law enforcement absolutely have the tools to recover that data on your computer. Unless the physical datablocks on your disk were overwritten with some other data, it's still there.

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I've never heard of someone being arrested and charged for illegal material on their computer without the police having found it on the computer-- I can't say if "found it on their computer" refers to the actual illegal material, or just proof of the computer having accessed illegal material. I can say that I've never heard of anyone being busted by having their IP traced... usually their computer is seized due to being investigated for other charges. However, that may just be a law enforcement logistic issue, and not a matter of any actual legal absolution.


It's more a logistics issue. Law enforcement largely does not have the time to sit around watching every download anyone does. But if you become a suspect for other reasons, and they have cause to search your computer, they will use the tools they have to uncover everything they can. Also, just because you've never heard of anyone being busted by having their IP traced doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does. Often. Usually in cases of attempted hacks though. Intrusion detection and tracking is serious business, and there's a division of the FBI that does nothing but deal with crimes of that nature.

For the most part though, law enforcement relies on private parties to point them in the direction of a crime. If you get hacked and you don't notice, or don't have the tools to provide some decent tracking data to start things off, law enforcement isn't going to be able to help you much. In this case, a private party has handed a bunch of such tracking data to law enforcement. They can at least use that to investigate. Unfortunately, the anonymous nature of the data source means that there's a custody issue with regards to the data. They'd have to basically recreate the same data via their own investigation for it to be usable for things like warrants and subpoenas. That's assuming that by publicly bragging about what they did, Anonymous didn't blow the whole investigation part of things, of course.
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#23 Oct 29 2011 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah, I guess my confusion was in how computers could possibly store streamed data-- when you're watching movies or television online, you're streaming huge files, and they can't all possibly be stored on the average computer. I didn't realize that in the streaming process your computer actually maintained the data until it was overwritten. I guess I figured that you somehow viewed the server's data without actually downloading it. Is it the same when viewing a webpage? For example, I can't view this url (the actual page, not just the address) from this computer if it's offline, even by retrieving some deleted temporary file, can I?
#24 Oct 29 2011 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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That's exactly what a browser cache is, so yes, you can. Any data you use on your computer has to be stored somewhere on your computer, if only in RAM. In reality very few programs let every piece of data live in RAM, so most of it ends up on your hard disk.
#25 Oct 31 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Dangerous for the hacker though. Since they are now linked to the website, any investigation towards the users of that website would show their access.


I could be (completely) wrong, but I don't think accessing a site with illegal materials is illegal as long as you don't actually download any illegal material. It is primarily distribution that is illegal, to a lesser extent the downloading of illegal material. e.g., in the case of movie pirating, it is not illegal to stream a pirated movie at an online host. What the distributor is doing is illegal, and were you to download that movie, you would then be in "possession" of stolen material, which would also be illegal. Material that you view online is not in your possession, and I don't think you can be charged with visiting a site anymore than you can be charged for accidentally walking in on something that would otherwise be illegal for you to see.

Though certainly there's potential for other dangers aside from conviction.


Seeing that just about everything you do with a movie or music is in violation of the copyright (anything outside of watching it in your own home or listening to it in a private environment, I kind of doubt that streaming a pirated movie could not result in legal actions.

Heck, even lending a movie or cd to a friend is already a violation.

(mind you, I thougth that only downloading isn't the big problem, it's the fact that torrents tend to be shared, everyone who downloads also uploads, hence shares.)


Edited, Oct 31st 2011 8:29pm by Zieveraar
#26 Nov 01 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Heck, even lending a movie or cd to a friend is already a violation.
Wrong. Lending someone the physical book, movie, cd, game, etc. is perfectly legal.

You can read about the concept here.
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