Sceptics conclude Earth has warmedFollow

eh earth heats up and cools down all the time, the issue isn't "the world has heated up" it is how much has the human impact really been. Considering we have no records from the previous ice age demonstrating contributing factors, we really have no idea if this is just an ongoing cycle, or if we have in fact increased the speed of the heating/cooling phase.

Pretty naive to think that over the last 200 years we have destroyed a multi million year cycle.

Good thing that's not what he said then.

The importance of this is that two actual scientists who were the beloved pets of the climate-changed deniers have said, "You know what? The other guys are right. We were wrong. Oh well."

The climate-change deniers are going to be following suit aaaaaaaany minute now. Just you watch and wait. Any minute now.

You know the response will be they sold out to the man when they realized they couldn't get any funding by denying Obama's human-caused climate change scheme

It's naive to think we could pump billions of gallons of oil out of the ground, add to that a few billion tons of coal, burn it all (inefficiently no less), and NOT have some impact on our planetary environment.

So we can travel to the moon, drive wide-spread species into extinction, reverse the flow of rivers and split the atom but it's "naive" to think we can influence an existing climate cycle into exaggerated results given hundreds of years.

Nice logic, Rush Limbaugh

Edited, Oct 21st 2011 7:56am by Jophiel

You'd like three feet of rain instead?

Seriously though, the people down-river of NY wouldn't mind you all getting less snow, either. I hear annual flooding is just the best.

I was of the opinion that the less "experts" who disagree with the science means less idiots can jump on the controversy band wagon.


Every little helps, and all that.

Yes, since once the rain stops it's easier to move my car and to park. Biggest issue is three feet of falling snow turns into about five feet of piled on the side of the roads packed snow after the snowplows drive by and not having to dig out afterwards would always be a plus.

That's what you get for living in New Jersey. We're just trying to wash it into the ocean.

Come out here. It started raining already; should stop sometime in June. Though to be fair, we will have an occasional sun break.

Strange, that's not what I read in that article at all. It looked a lot more like them saying that "on the question of whether the globe has actually even heated up in the last couple centuries, we agree that the evidence shows that it likely has", followed up with "But this doesn't affect in any way the question of what degree human activity has had to do with that temperature change". Or did you miss that part?

Very few ACC skeptics argue the issue of whether the earth has gotten warmer over the last couple centuries. They argue about how much of that is caused by man, and whether the proposed solutions are worth doing much less necessary. The question of verifying whether the earth actually has gotten warmer is relevant to the whole issue, but while important for those arguing *for* dramatic action to save the earth from man's harmful actions, it's not important at all for those on the other side of the issue.


If this were a legal battle, one side just established standing for the case to even move forward. I suppose you could call this a victory for the pro-ACC side because it prevents their case from being tossed out right off the bat, but it's far far far from proving their case.

Edited, Oct 21st 2011 1:31pm by gbaji

According to that brilliant, classic piece of work that is SyFy's Category 7, the urban heat islands are enough to destabilize the mesosphere and cause -100C air to come crashing down to the surface, triggering cyclones that rival the Great Red Spot. But, on the plus side, these heat columns can be dispersed in mere minutes by turning off the power grid, thus instantaneously defeating the killer storm.