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#1 Oct 18 2011 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently, the Occupy Wall Street ranks are full of people who want to take what is the rightful and lawful property of others.

Also, there are bandits:

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Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

The irony is so thick and rich, you would need to cut it with a chainsaw. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Oct 18th 2011 4:21pm by Demea
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"Hey, can you take our pictures? ... ... hey, where are you taking our camera!"


Apparently they are all too young to have seen Chevy's movies.
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#4 Oct 18 2011 at 10:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not surprised. Theft is likely to be an issue whenever you have a large gathering of people together, especially something like this that is well-publicized. In exchange for being on national news, every thug in New York knows that there's a lot of people using pricey electronics with nowhere really secure to store them in the park.

I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
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#5 Oct 19 2011 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
And the nice thing is that the crooks don't even need to get dressed up to blend in.
#6 Oct 19 2011 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not surprised. Theft is likely to be an issue whenever you have a large gathering of people together, especially something like this that is well-publicized. In exchange for being on national news, every thug in New York knows that there's a lot of people using pricey electronics with nowhere really secure to store them in the park.

I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.


While I'm not condoning theft, I do find it ironic that someone participating in this protest against banks, big business and the wealthy in general is carrying around a $5.5k laptop computer, built by a big business, which gets loans from the banking industry, and probably purchased by said persons wealthy parents. But she's the 99%!!! Smiley: laugh
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#7 Oct 19 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anymore than people railing against illegal immigrants daily eating the produce picked by them? It's pretty much impossible to go through the day without using something made by a huge corporation or an illegal immigrant.
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While I'm not condoning theft, I do find it ironic that someone participating in this protest against banks, big business and the wealthy in general is carrying around a $5.5k laptop computer, built by a big business, which gets loans from the banking industry, and probably purchased by said persons wealthy parents. But she's the 99%!!! Smiley: laugh

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Anymore than people railing against illegal immigrants daily eating the produce picked by them? It's pretty much impossible to go through the day without using something made by a huge corporation or an illegal immigrant.


That's a poor comparison though. That person would be eating the same produce (probably for the same price) whether it was picked by an illegal immigrant or not. No one argues that the solution to the illegal immigration problem is to tear down the industries which hire them. On the flip side though, the very banking systems which the protesters are against and the profit motive of the corporations they lend to, directly cause products like that laptop to exist.

If the protesters were limiting their protests to only actions which are *actually* illegal (rather than wildly labeling anything they don't like as such), I wouldn't have a problem with them (most people wouldn't). But they seem to be protesting a whole range of completely legal actions based apparently solely on the fact that those engaged in them make a profit.

I'll also point out that those railing about illegal immigration don't generally blame the immigrants for the problem. Just as the banks play the game based on the rules that are set for them, so do those immigrants. As long as we have a porous border and dramatically different economic potentials for labor, they're going to take the very logical and reasonable actions they do. No one can or should blame them for that. We should blame the folks who set things up that way (or at least fight hard to keep them that way). Similarly, you shouldn't blame the banks for investing in something which the government rigged the system to make profitable. You blame the government for playing games with our financial system in order to achieve the social goal of helping poor people own homes.


But that would be applying a consistent set of principles to each issue, and we can't have that, can we!
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That person would be eating the same produce (probably for the same price) whether it was picked by an illegal immigrant or not.

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#11 Oct 19 2011 at 6:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Who spends $5.5k on a laptop?
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Feel like elaborating on those at all Joph? I know it's a popular claim to make within the liberal echo chamber that conservatives oppose illegal immigration because they really hate brown skinned people or something, but that's simply not the case. Very very few conservatives blame the illegal immigrants for their condition. We blame the government for creating those conditions.

I know this is hard to believe as a liberal (living so close to the border as well!), but conservatives want to help those people to *not* be stuck in an illegal status. We want to make it possible for our legal system to differentiate between those who honestly want to work and those who smuggle drugs, guns, and people. We want to find ways to resolve the problems which create the conditions they find themselves in. It's largely liberals who seem to love the status quo. They love the instant victim-hood of illegal immigrants and love to use it to gain support for their own political agenda. And they don't seem to care about the ruined lives they leave along the way.


But this is pretty typical of liberal political activity. In the same way that selling people the promise of free social benefits isn't really helping them, looking the other way while people illegally operate in our borders isn't really helping those people either. It does keep both groups in eternal poverty and fear though. The left uses illegals to gain political power, while ensuring that the current condition of limbo status is maintained. I don't see how that's "better" in any way.

At least the conservative position is honest.
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Who spends $5.5k on a laptop?


Someone with wealthy parents? Someone filling out an insurance claim? Take your pick, I suppose.
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#14 Oct 19 2011 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, someone is butthurt over liberals today.
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#15 Oct 19 2011 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Who spends $5.5k on a laptop?


A Mac fan.
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Wow, someone is butthurt over liberals today.


Tired of hypocrisy really. Tired of labels being repeated that completely distort reality. When even conservatives accept the assumption that "socially conservative" means "authoritarian", it makes me a bit sick. When people old enough to know better still think that the idiot rationals behind the OWS movement are good, it makes me a bit sick. It just makes it so apparent the degree to which people will accept a lie (and even repeat it) as long as it's useful to their political position.

And when I realize that those people often hold those positions because of the same lies they then repeat (seemingly knowing that they're lies), it also makes me a bit sick. I can't help but wonder when I run into older liberals (I can forgive young people being liberal) whether they continue to support the same BS because they truly believe it still, or because they realized it was BS but would feel embarrassed to admit even to themselves that they were so foolish.


I then laugh when those people attack religious folks for clinging to their faith, because I see the same thing in them. So yeah, maybe I'm just a bit more annoyed than usual about it.
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#18 Oct 19 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji is obviously blissfully unaware of the crops rotting on the vines because farmers couldn't get workers to pick them. But yeah, it certainly doesn't matter whether they were picked by illegals or not.

Edited, Oct 19th 2011 8:03pm by Xsarus
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#19 Oct 19 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Feel like elaborating on those at all Joph?

Oh, no. You did a good enough job on your own. I wouldn't want to spoil the purity of it.
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Xsarus wrote:
Gbaji is obviously blissfully unaware of the crops rotting on the vines because farmers couldn't get workers to pick them
Eh, they have the Agricultural Risk Protection Act to cover for that.
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gbaji wrote:
Tired of labels being repeated that completely distort reality.

Use the word "liberal" a few more times, won't you...

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Tired of hypocrisy really.

...for the lulz.
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Gbaji is obviously blissfully unaware of the crops rotting on the vines because farmers couldn't get workers to pick them.


And I'm apparently also blissfully unaware of any cost increase that caused me to suffer too!


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But yeah, it certainly doesn't matter whether they were picked by illegals or not.


Nope. Really not. Why would you think so? You actually believe that more than an insignificant portion of our total agricultural output is picked by people being paid illegal under the table wages? While I'm sure there are a number of illegals working in those jobs, they get paid the exact same amount of money as the guys next to them who are not illegal immigrants. You've seriously bought some kind of fairy tale if you think otherwise.

The consequences of knowingly employing illegal labor and paying them illegal wages is significant for any large agricultural business (which is where the vast majority of our food comes form btw). If they're paying someone less than minimum wage under the table because the employee is an illegal, they can't hide this easily *and* when caught can't deny that they knew the worker wasn't legal (much less paying them illegally, violating tax laws, and a dozen other violations). They pay low wages, but it's the same for legal and illegal workers.


So no, there's nothing hypocritical about complaining about the illegal immigration problem while buying food which may have been picked by illegal immigrants. The idea that our food is significantly cheaper because of illegal immigration is a myth. It just doesn't stack up to the reality.

Edited, Oct 19th 2011 7:08pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
Tired of labels being repeated that completely distort reality.

Use the word "liberal" a few more times, won't you...


I clearly defined exactly what I was talking about. If you wish, I'll post a several page long explanation of what I mean by "social liberalism". I suspect you don't want that though. Smiley: grin


Um... That makes it *not* hypocritical, in case you were wondering.
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I'll post a several page long explanation
Oooooh, that would be different.
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Nope. Really not. Why would you think so? You actually believe that more than an insignificant portion of our total agricultural output is picked by people being paid illegal under the table wages? While I'm sure there are a number of illegals working in those jobs, they get paid the exact same amount of money as the guys next to them who are not illegal immigrants. You've seriously bought some kind of fairy tale if you think otherwise.

The consequences of knowingly employing illegal labor and paying them illegal wages is significant for any large agricultural business (which is where the vast majority of our food comes form btw). If they're paying someone less than minimum wage under the table because the employee is an illegal, they can't hide this easily *and* when caught can't deny that they knew the worker wasn't legal (much less paying them illegally, violating tax laws, and a dozen other violations). They pay low wages, but it's the same for legal and illegal workers.


Uh, that is demonstrably false.
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gbaji wrote:
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Tired of labels being repeated that completely distort reality.

Use the word "liberal" a few more times, won't you...


I clearly defined exactly what I was talking about. If you wish, I'll post a several page long explanation of what I mean by "social liberalism". I suspect you don't want that though. Smiley: grin

No you didn't; you talked about accepting assumptions then complained about "old liberals" and "young liberals". But, by all means, if you feel like typing up some more posts that make Stephen King look clear and concise...well we all know you're gonna do it anyways.
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