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#52 Oct 19 2011 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thorium is definitly the way to go. Theoretically it would allow for safer, lighter and smaller nuclear power plants for shipboard use on submarines and warships, and can't go critical. That and the leftovers are only radioactive for a few hundred years, and could be ran through a fusion reactor someday as a potential fuel source. The only reason we use primarily Uranium reactors in the united states is because we wanted the ability to make more weapons grade fuel back when they were being built, and the uranium lobbyists won back in the 1960's when most of the reactors were built.

I'm holding out for Dilithium though!
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#53 Oct 19 2011 at 8:14 PM Rating: Default
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Electric cars powered by solar power plants apparently don't drive on the same roads as the gasoline powered cars in Joph's universe. We were discussing alternative energy, right?
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gasoline would probably be about 1/3rd to 1/2 the cost at the pump it is today

Or it would be 11% cheaper, as shown on the graphic on the linked page (happily, gas today is about the $3.46 shown on the images from 2008). And as the price of crude oil increases, the percentage you pay in taxes actually decreases since many of the taxes are charged as "cents per gallon" and not a percentage of the pump price, meaning they make up a smaller fraction as the base price increases.

So I guess you meant to say "gasoline would probably be about 9/10ths the cost at the pump it is today except we wouldn't have any money for road construction or maintenance for your car".


You missed a key part of my statement. Actually, you edited it out when you quoted only half of my sentence. Funny how you do that a lot. It's almost like you know ahead of time you're about to make a totally BS argument, and deliberately act to make your BS appear reasonable. Else why edit out the first part of that sentence?
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#55 Oct 19 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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That was a lot of words to avoid admitting that you were either completely misinformed or intentionally misleading about fuel taxes.

Funny how you do that a lot.

I also liked how you edited out the first half of my remarks. Guess you didn't like the fact that fuel taxes largely are a subsidy for the petroleum industry Smiley: smile

Edited, Oct 19th 2011 9:23pm by Jophiel
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#56 Oct 20 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Hey, let's subsidize the oil companies and tax the poor schlep who's just trying to get to work!
#57 Oct 20 2011 at 6:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, let's subsidize the oil companies and tax the poor schlep who's just trying to get to work!
If the poor schlep would just move in, he'd never have to commute to work, but NOOOOOOOOOO, got to have labour laws that forbid having him work 24 hour days.
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Electric cars powered by solar power plants apparently don't drive on the same roads as the gasoline powered cars in Joph's universe.

Electric cars powered by solar plants don't exist in my universe. It's called the "real world" where purely electric cars make up an insignificant fraction of road traffic and those powered purely on solar are slim enough in population to be nil.

On the day these cars make up enough traffic to matter, they'll be taxed for it in some fashion. Unless you know some charity road crews who work for free.
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#59 Oct 20 2011 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unless you know some charity road crews who work for free.
Bring back chain gangs.
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#60 Oct 20 2011 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
Speaking of electric cars: All electric DeLorean.
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Speaking of electric cars: All electric DeLorean.
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#62 Oct 20 2011 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mr. Fusion.
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On the day these cars make up enough traffic to matter, they'll be taxed for it in some fashion. Unless you know some charity road crews who work for free.


We're actually already at that point, except it isn't the electric cars that are the ones that are killing us, it's the hybrids and more fuel efficient regular cars. Federal gas tax revenues and state gas tax revenues have dropped through the floor in recent years, largely in response to more fuel efficient trucks, hybrid cars, etc. The gas tax used to be a good road maintenance funding source because the tax on a vehicle getting 12-16 miles per gallon largely paid for the wear that vehicle puts on the roadway. Now with the majority of cars on the road making at least 30 MPG or better, we essentially get twice the wear and tear on the road for the same amount of funding. Not to mention that inflation and higher concrete / asphalt costs have dramatically refuced the amount of materials that the tax buys in the first place.

Federal tax dollars used to pay at least half of large projects like river spanning bridges. These days you are lucky if you can get at least 1/3rd funding, and most needed projects are having to wait 5-10 years longer than they would have back even in the 1990's. To put things in perspective, freight trains are starting to make a large comeback because the roads are so congested, major freight companies can't get their products throug in time.

Current proposals for taxing vehicle use in the future include mandating GPS devices inside all vehicles to track milage and taxing based upon yearly miles traveled, with miles driven in X state providing x amount of cash to that state and a portion to the federal government. Other proposals include an odometer reading yearly and tax assesed based on that number sent directly to the federal government, who would dole out funding to the states based on number of registered vehicles. Either proposal could replace or supplement gas taxes. Even more unlikely would be a tax not related to vehicle use, such as a federal sales tax for road maintenance. The main concern seems to be to ensure that people who aren't using the roads don't pay for the roads. THere has also been some talk of using license plate scanning networks to track vehicle miles traveled, which is still big brotherish, but easier to implement because it doesn't involve putting thingies in private vehicles.

Something has to happen soon though. by 2015, there will be enough 40MPG vehicles on the road that we're pretty much screwed.
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#64 Oct 20 2011 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't you solve that problem with toll roads? It seems like they are all over from my recent trips south of the border.

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 9:23am by Xsarus
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#65 Oct 20 2011 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Something has to happen soon though. by 2015, there will be enough 40MPG vehicles on the road that we're pretty much screwed.
Hover cars.
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Don't you solve that problem with toll roads? It seems like they are all over from my recent trips south of the border.

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 9:23am by Xsarus
Those things are ridiculous. 30 miles and you've probably driven through 5 at a minimum of $1 each.
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Don't you solve that problem with toll roads? It seems like they are all over from my recent trips south of the border.

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 9:23am by Xsarus
Those things are ridiculous. 30 miles and you've probably driven through 5 at a minimum of $1 each.

There should be a federalized toll road system that is all electronic - no toll booths, no toll takers, no stopping or slowing, no counting out 1.55 in nickles. It's certainly doable with today's technology.
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#68 Oct 20 2011 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's called E-ZPass. Maybe you guys should join us in the modern world.
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It's called E-ZPass. Maybe you guys should join us in the modern world.
I get one every time I go down there and rent a car. That's not the point though. You simply have a ridiculous amount of tolls.
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It's called E-ZPass. Maybe you guys should join us in the modern world.

EZ pass is not federalized, it's a state-by-state toll program, and it's optional. But yeah, like I said the technology is there.

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Half of the tollways in my city are EZ tag only.

In fact, I'd love for all of them to be that way. Waiting for that one douchebag at the exit to dig for change: infuriating.
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#73 Oct 20 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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It's called E-ZPass. Maybe you guys should join us in the modern world.
EZ pass is not federalized, it's a state-by-state toll program, and it's optional. But yeah, like I said the technology is there.
State-by-state just means what I said about joining the modern world is accurate, and I'm all for it being optional: I enjoy watching idiots suffer, waiting five to ten minutes during heavy traffic digging through their cup holders looking for exact change when I barely have to slow down and be on my way. Hell, if it was mandatory, then I'd be slowed down at those intersections just by the fact the slow-down involved with people paying manually wouldn't exist anymore.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Something has to happen soon though.

When it happens and they raise taxes through whatever means, Gbaji will be here to tell us it's all liberal social engineering to prevent people from driving.
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Elinda wrote:
EZ pass is not federalized, it's a state-by-state toll program, and it's optional. But yeah, like I said the technology is there.

I can drive from Chicago to Washington DC on my I-Pass but I think Illinois is as far west as the agreements go. And it took a bit of arm twisting to get Indiana to accept Illinois transponders; they kind of got forced into it finally when IL raised tolls on cash-users and the Powers that Be in Indiana noodled out that more Hoosiers drive into Chicago than vice versa.
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It's called E-ZPass. Maybe you guys should join us in the modern world.
EZ pass is not federalized, it's a state-by-state toll program, and it's optional. But yeah, like I said the technology is there.
State-by-state just means what I said about joining the modern world is accurate, and I'm all for it being optional: I enjoy watching idiots suffer, waiting five to ten minutes during heavy traffic digging through their cup holders looking for exact change when I barely have to slow down and be on my way. Hell, if it was mandatory, then I'd be slowed down at those intersections just by the fact the slow-down involved with people paying manually wouldn't exist anymore.
Yeah, it's fun until you hit a busy exit during rush hour traffic. I'd be happy with scrapping it and billing people without a tag by license plate. I've done it when I had to drive a rental car so it's certainly possible.

Also, that last part makes fuck-all sense.The roads I've taken that were EZtag only (I guess it's TXtag as a throughout the state thing), like 183 in Austin, were wonderful and didn't have to allocate 5 billion extra lanes for a sprawling toll plaza.

Mixed up my highway numbers there

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 10:33am by Sweetums
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