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#1 Oct 17 2011 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/opinion/sachs-global-population/index.html

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A rising population puts enormous pressures on a planet already plunging into environmental catastrophe. Providing food, clothing, shelter, and energy for 7 billion people is a task of startling complexity.

The world's agricultural systems are already dangerously overstretched. Rainforests are being cut down to make way for new farms; groundwater used for irrigation is being depleted; greenhouse gases emitted from agricultural activities are a major factor in global climate change; fertilizers are poisoning estuaries; and countless species are threatened with extinction as we grab their land and water and destroy their habitats.

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So the arrival of the 7 billionth person is cause for profound global concern. It carries a challenge: What will it take to maintain a planet in which each person has a chance for a full, productive and prosperous life, and in which the planet's resources are sustained for future generations? How, in short, can we enjoy "sustainable development" on a very crowded planet?


I've always thought that the root of every major problem is this. We cannot continue all of our "time tested" practices because they are not working or will soon no longer continue to work. In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name. When I think of problems with the economy and infrastructure, it all seems to boil down to overcrowding and lack of resources caused by our inability to adapt to the changes brought about by our growing population.
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#2 Oct 17 2011 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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#3 Oct 17 2011 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name.
Well, yeah. Most of the people in Florida were in their thirties in 1955.

I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.
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#4 Oct 17 2011 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Kuwoobie wrote:
In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name.
Well, yeah. Most of the people in Florida were in their thirties in 1955.

I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.


No one seems to want to think of ways to reduce the human population though. Most people, myself included, still want to have children of their own in hopes that things will magically get better somehow or at least stall long enough that it doesn't matter.
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#5 Oct 17 2011 at 8:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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The easiest way to prevent overpopulation is to raise the standard of living and increase access to reliable contraception.

Look at the fertility rates of modern industrialized countries and you'll see that they're often below replacement rates.
#6 Oct 17 2011 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
Kuwoobie wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Kuwoobie wrote:
In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name.
Well, yeah. Most of the people in Florida were in their thirties in 1955.

I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.


No one seems to want to think of ways to reduce the human population though. Most people, myself included, still want to have children of their own in hopes that things will magically get better somehow or at least stall long enough that it doesn't matter.


Speak for yourself. I'm allergic to children. So is my husband.

We've Darwin'd ourselves, without the dying bit.
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I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.


And yet people get pissed when you go out reducing the surplus population. Such hypocrites.
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I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.


And yet people get pissed when you go out reducing the surplus population. Such hypocrites.

We keep genociding the wrong people.
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Sweetums wrote:
The easiest way to prevent overpopulation is to raise the standard of living and increase access to reliable contraception.

I don't know about that, I can think of numerous cheap ways to increase infant mortality.
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Kuwoobie wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Kuwoobie wrote:
In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name.
Well, yeah. Most of the people in Florida were in their thirties in 1955.

I think it's the opposite, we're too adept at changes which both increases our population and reduces the fatality rate so we end up with people living much longer and more babies being born. This is exactly why people hunt deer.


No one seems to want to think of ways to reduce the human population though. Most people, myself included, still want to have children of their own in hopes that things will magically get better somehow or at least stall long enough that it doesn't matter.


Speak for yourself. I'm allergic to children. So is my husband.

We've Darwin'd ourselves, without the dying bit.


Ditto! Also overpopulation is a great reason to support ***** marriage

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The easiest way to prevent overpopulation is to raise the standard of living and increase access to reliable contraception.

I don't know about that, I can think of numerous cheap ways to increase infant mortality.


Thanks to Jophiel, my first thought was to swap the labels on the baby aspirin.

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Allegory wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
The easiest way to prevent overpopulation is to raise the standard of living and increase access to reliable contraception.

I don't know about that, I can think of numerous cheap ways to increase infant mortality.
Are you calling Usagi cheap?
#13 Oct 18 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
Sweetums wrote:
Allegory wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
The easiest way to prevent overpopulation is to raise the standard of living and increase access to reliable contraception.

I don't know about that, I can think of numerous cheap ways to increase infant mortality.
Are you calling Usagi cheap?
I think he would pay for the opportunity to smother a baby, so he's beyond cheap.
#14 Oct 18 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
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Kuwoobie wrote:


I've always thought that the root of every major problem is this. We cannot continue all of our "time tested" practices because they are not working or will soon no longer continue to work. In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name. When I think of problems with the economy and infrastructure, it all seems to boil down to overcrowding and lack of resources caused by our inability to adapt to the changes brought about by our growing population.
I think the problem is you weren't here in 1955.

Global fertility rates have declined by half. US population is stable. Our economy and our infrastructure have changed dramatically since 1955.

I think Florida leads the pack in a pretty cutting edge statewide water reuse system.

Anyway, global warming will open up the poles to habitation. Smiley: grin
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I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?
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#17 Oct 18 2011 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?

The one that grows up to stab you in the throat with a pen.
#18 Oct 18 2011 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?

The one that grows up to stab you in the throat with a pen.
The one that stabs with a knife (and writes with a pen) is doin' it right.
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#19 Oct 18 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Forget babies, let's cap age limits. Do we really need 70 and 80 year olds in old people homes?
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#20 Oct 18 2011 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Kuwoobie wrote:


I've always thought that the root of every major problem is this. We cannot continue all of our "time tested" practices because they are not working or will soon no longer continue to work. In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name. When I think of problems with the economy and infrastructure, it all seems to boil down to overcrowding and lack of resources caused by our inability to adapt to the changes brought about by our growing population.
I think the problem is you weren't here in 1955.

Global fertility rates have declined by half. US population is stable. Our economy and our infrastructure have changed dramatically since 1955.

I think Florida leads the pack in a pretty cutting edge statewide water reuse system.

Anyway, global warming will open up the poles to habitation. Smiley: grin

Right, because the open sea of the north pole just begs for housing complexes.
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#21 Oct 18 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Do we really need 70 and 80 year olds in old people homes?

No we should build them yurts to live in.

Edit - floating yurts.


Edited, Oct 18th 2011 4:06pm by Elinda
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#22 Oct 18 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?

The one that grows up to stab you in the throat with a pen.
The one that stabs with a knife (and writes with a pen) is doin' it right.

I'd rather have the one able to adapt to surroundings and take advantage of the tools available to get the job done right. A pen will do just fine.
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?

The one that grows up to stab you in the throat with a pen.
The one that stabs with a knife (and writes with a pen) is doin' it right.

I'd rather have the one able to adapt to surroundings and take advantage of the tools available to get the job done right. A pen will do just fine.

Have fun carving out the grocery list with your leatherman (don't forget the tampax). Smiley: rolleyes
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#24 Oct 18 2011 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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#25 Oct 18 2011 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
I say you just put Zip Ties in their cribs. Those who live are smarter and more worthy of continuing the species. Those that don't can be maligned by anonymous *** holes on the internet.
And which kid is the smarter one - the kid that explores the zip tie and starts to figure out how it works or the kid that just sits there and drools?

We've already got a generation of couch potatoes?

The one that grows up to stab you in the throat with a pen.
The one that stabs with a knife (and writes with a pen) is doin' it right.

I'd rather have the one able to adapt to surroundings and take advantage of the tools available to get the job done right. A pen will do just fine.

Have fun carving out the grocery list with your leatherman (don't forget the tampax). Smiley: rolleyes

Either way, you'd have a gaping wound in your throat. I could learn to live with inconvenience.
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Elinda wrote:
Kuwoobie wrote:


I've always thought that the root of every major problem is this. We cannot continue all of our "time tested" practices because they are not working or will soon no longer continue to work. In the minds of most people (here in Florida at least) the year is still 1955, and life works exactly as it does in the board game of the same name. When I think of problems with the economy and infrastructure, it all seems to boil down to overcrowding and lack of resources caused by our inability to adapt to the changes brought about by our growing population.
I think the problem is you weren't here in 1955.

Global fertility rates have declined by half. US population is stable. Our economy and our infrastructure have changed dramatically since 1955.

I think Florida leads the pack in a pretty cutting edge statewide water reuse system.

Anyway, global warming will open up the poles to habitation. Smiley: grin

Right, because the open sea of the north pole just begs for housing complexes.


Housing... Smiley: bah

What we need is that ice to hurry up and melt so we can get to the cheap oil. Smiley: nod
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