rdmcandie wrote:
... people do have a natural right to food shelter and clothing.
They have a right to obtain those things (ie: to not have their ability to obtain them hindered). There is no right to have them handed to you at someone else's expense.
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You either have a very narrow thought process, are highly selective, or have never studied human history ever.
That's a pretty meaningless statement, isn't it? I mean, you could level that charge at anyone who says anything you happen to disagree with. That's a pretty weak argument.
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Since the dawn of man humans have always supported their community, and they still do to day.
Sure. And they generally expected the other members of that community to participate in such things and repay them in some way, either via joint protection, production of goods, help when they need it, etc. If you'd actually studied human history, you'd know that for most of human history those who failed to contribute to communities were often ostracized, shunned, banned, killed, thrown in the front lines of the fighting with nothing but a sharp stick, and other methods too numerous to list here as a means of encouraging everyone to chip in. But you're attempting to apply the principles of rights to something that it doesn't really apply to at all.
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It is human nature, and a natural right for being human.
I'm sorry, but that's idiotic. Who's going to produce all that food and all that shelter if everyone has a right to receive it? What if everyone decides to just sit on their butts expecting that their right to those things will be fulfilled? You can't have a right to something that someone has to spend effort to make. How can you not see this? The word "right" has been so misused that today you sling it around without a clue as to why it has value and meaning.
The rights you speak of have no value. Because if we actually enforced those rights, no one would have any rights at all.