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#1 Oct 16 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
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...but if all you do is get drunk constantly, do a lot of drugs, go to concerts, and your parents pay for all of that PLUS your rent, you aren't in the 99%. And hey, you may not be in the 1%, either, but you're in the ************** You haven't had a job in years, you're almost 21, and you have no right to get in my face about not skipping out on work (work, which I have to do in order to continue to live away from home) to go to an Occupy rally to get arrested with you.

Seriously, grow up. If you have a legitimate grievance, let it be heard. But don't expect me to be sympathetic when mommy and daddy pay for everything, including the road trip that landed you in Colorado in the first place.



That being said, Occupy Denver is starting to crack down on people. Well, they started cracking down on the people camping out a few days ago. There was a march down 16th Street Mall and near the capital building yesterday that ended up with some people getting pepper sprayed and a few arrests. Nothing new. I'm glad the movements are gaining ground, I just wish I didn't have to hear brats preach about it constantly.
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#2 Oct 16 2011 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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I just wish I didn't have to hear brats preach about it constantly.
Couldn't agree more.
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#3 Oct 16 2011 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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To be fair, they ARE still in the 99%. They're just still very different from those in the bottom half of that. And just because mommy/daddy pay for things, doesn't mean their grievances don't often match up.

I have a close friend whose father makes over half a mil a year. His family still isn't even top 10%. He's had an unpaid internship since he's graduated college (which is fine, because he lives with his grandparents in manhattan and doesn't need to worry about expenses). But he HATES living off his parents--he's been actively searching for a job more valuable than the internship since before he started there. But everything he can find won't help him at all career-wise, so he has to choose between making money (though still living with his grandparents, because there's no way he could afford to commute/pay rent with any of those jobs) and staying at the internship, where he can make connections/get experience that's valuable.

His life is obviously a lot easier than many peoples'. But that shouldn't invalidate his legitimate complaints about various things.

To be fair, the fact that he's self-aware of these things helps his case. He knows he's fortunate, but wants to be self-sufficient as soon as he can. But he can't figure out how to get there (and still maintain any career dreams, at least).

Regarding your more specific grievance, however, I agree. Protesters who harass people are really annoying.
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#4 Oct 16 2011 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not even really harassment in this case. It's more of misplaced whining.

Maybe she's still technically in the 99%, but, I'm sorry, she's a lot better off than anyone that actually has a job in the 99%. Or hey, maybe I'm jealous, but I've been working my *** off since I was 15 for the extra things I wanted to buy, and paying rent since I turned 18. I sympathize with everyone who is in the same boat as me, or worse off, but those that haven't had to lift a finger to get their kicks? I don't really see them as deserving of sympathy.
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#5 Oct 16 2011 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eh, I guess, I just haven't heard anyone really preach about it. I do constantly hear about how we have to "grow our economy" etc day in and day out though.

I support people's right to believe that, but I am ready to hear something different at the moment.

Also I challenge the stereotype you are presenting here. I went to a march yesterday, and there was a rather large diversity in the participants - a lot of older people, and yeah a lot of the "middle class" - sure there was no shortage of young people too, but seriously, assuming that just because someone is young they just leech off their parents is not particularly fair.

When I was working in the service industry I quite often worked either early mornings (starting by 6) or late nights (not starting till 6 pm)

So if I went to a protest during the day, it didn't mean that I was an unemployed leech.

Anyway, I don't doubt that you felt you were being imposed on when people tried to reach out to you, but did you really give them an equal chance to explain their hopes and goals to you as you give to say, reading product packages or advertisements in an average day?

I don't actually often hear the kind of messages this movement has been articulating in the media, or in general culture. I am much more tired about hearing about how we "all need to tighten our belts" while those who take the most are busy grabbing even more.
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It's not even really harassment in this case. It's more of misplaced whining.

Maybe she's still technically in the 99%, but, I'm sorry, she's a lot better off than anyone that actually has a job in the 99%. Or hey, maybe I'm jealous, but I've been working my *** off since I was 15 for the extra things I wanted to buy, and paying rent since I turned 18. I sympathize with everyone who is in the same boat as me, or worse off, but those that haven't had to lift a finger to get their kicks? I don't really see them as deserving of sympathy.


No offense, but that seems small-minded. Especially considering, if the Occupy movement is something you actually want to see succeed, then you need those people to be involved.

Obviously, your life has been harder. But I don't think it's fair to hate on them for having been born privileged. I mean, it's not like they could help it. And they are fighting for your rights just as much as theirs.
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#7 Oct 16 2011 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
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I mean, it's not like they could help it.


Maybe I am being small-minded, but I've seen her start to look for jobs around 10-12 times over the past two months, before she openly declared, "Why the **** am I doing this? I don't even want to work!" and then dropped acid.

I guess it's just frustrating that she never contributes to anything around the house, be it cooking, cleaning, groceries, etc., and then just rants about "The Man". Meh, I'll get over it, just felt like ranting. And like I said, I do support the entire movement, but when your roommate drunkenly rants at you, then yells at you for being a "corporate slave" and refusing to go to an occupy rally when you have work at 4am the next day, it gets to be a bit much.
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#8 Oct 16 2011 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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oh, okay so this is about your roomate.

your roomie is a spoiled twit - this has nothing to do with #ows
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#9 Oct 16 2011 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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oh, okay so this is about your roomate.

your roomie is a spoiled twit - this has nothing to do with #ows


Now I understand what's going on, lol. Carry on.
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#10 Oct 16 2011 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus wrote:
oh, okay so this is about your roomate.

your roomie is a spoiled twit - this has nothing to do with #ows


Well, I'm sure she's not alone in being a spoiled twit and occupying. I'm just ranting because that seems to be an archetype I've run into a lot in the past few years (not just in Boulder, but in Raleigh as well), people who think they should be able to put forth zero effort because they fancy themselves enlightened thinkers or whatever their justification happens to be.
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#11 Oct 16 2011 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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oh, okay so this is about your roomate.

your roomie is a spoiled twit - this has nothing to do with #ows


Well, I'm sure she's not alone in being a spoiled twit and occupying. I'm just ranting because that seems to be an archetype I've run into a lot in the past few years (not just in Boulder, but in Raleigh as well), people who think they should be able to put forth zero effort because they fancy themselves enlightened thinkers or whatever their justification happens to be.


I can understand your frustration.

No doubt she isn't alone in being a spoiled twit and occupying, but just cause lots of millionaries travel to third world countries to have *** with children, doesn't mean we believe all millionaires are souless *** tourists, does it?

What I am trying to say is there are twits in every movement, jerks in every videogame, creepy people in every wage bracket, etc.

I think it is fair game to question your roomate's self-interested motives for latching on to the occupy movement/their ideology. Perhaps for her, it represents a codification of her abdication of responsibility.

Honestly, if that is the case, she doesn't really get it (at least from my perspective). The fact is, what the core of the movement appears to be trying to do is to create a new dialogue about democracy and the values of our society. Truly participating in such an "occupation" would actually be a lot of work. And honestly, people who have to work (within the system) to scrape by actually might be the least able to participate in such an excercise.

It sounds like you're frustrated because the message that you're getting from the movement is something that resonates with you - but it is utterly divorced from the hard realities you actually face.

I get that.
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#12ThiefX, Posted: Oct 16 2011 at 5:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Idiggory posted :
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#14 Oct 16 2011 at 8:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate Occupy Wall street. I'm actually thinking about starting a fund raiser and collecting donations to give to the top 1% wealthiest Americans so they can make us some more ****** minimum wage jobs.
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FYI: The article ThiefX linked was not fact checked, as one of the commenters pointed out.

While it's true that the 1%ers are all around us, and many have busted their asses to get there, the complaint from the #OWS crowd is that you shouldn't have to work 80 hours a week with no vacations just to make it in America. Our forefathers fought hard for the 40 hour a work week standard with 2 weeks vacation. Someone should make a decent living wage with that, no? And then let the go-getters who like to work themselves into the ground work those 80 hour work weeks - but they **** well better be well compensated for that time.

What we have instead is this lopsided world where the wealthiest folks sit and live off their investments and do maybe 20 hours of work a week before going off to play with remote controlled airplanes*, and then a respiratory therapist* who works 75 hours a week for 40K a year is told she's not allowed to have two days off for vacation to see her daughter graduate from college.

Oh, and her company health insurance is going up another $200 a month starting next January.

Oh, and the hospital is under a budget crisis so she's getting a 10% pay cut too.

And she should just be grateful she has a job, since there are plenty of people who were already laid off that'd love to come back and take her position.

*Actual 1%er I knew who invested in American Eagle Outfitters just before they zoomed up. First person I ever met that used the phrase "build your wealth" in a real conversation.
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I don't know any 1%ers, but I know someone who's likely close. He founded a company back when he and his wife (my second cousin) were just recently married, and it's grown pretty massive.

And I don't begrudge him that, nor do I know what his wealth actually is. But it's definitely true that if his wealth dropped 20%, he and his family wouldn't notice any difference in their life styles.
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I don't know, it would be pretty tough to only have 1 yacht when you're used to having 2
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#18ThiefX, Posted: Oct 16 2011 at 10:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know cat the fact that you believe that the rich (who liberals keep changing the definition of) only work 20 hours a week is beyond childish and speaks volumes to why the occupy movement should be laughed at and ignored in any serious discussion on the future of this country. (The funny thing is if you took away the cameras the movement would collapse in less than a week)
#19ThiefX, Posted: Oct 16 2011 at 10:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Olorinus is why the public school system in this country needs to be completely scrapped........
#20ThiefX, Posted: Oct 16 2011 at 10:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sure you do. A few posts up you were telling everyone and I quote "I have a close friend whose father makes over half a mil a year."
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The "1%" referenced by the Occupy Wall Street movement supposedly represents the 1% who controls ~40% of the nation's wealth, not the top 1% tax bracket. It's a slimmer population than the top 1% tax bracket.

The average annual income of the "1%" referenced by the OWS folks is $1,130,000. According to the Washington Post, the minimum annual income to be in the 1% would be $516,633
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News flash: Being part of 99% of the population results in a large amount of variance! Sh*t, son!
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Olorinus wrote:
oh, okay so this is about your roomate.

your roomie is a spoiled twit - this has nothing to do with #ows


Well, I'm sure she's not alone in being a spoiled twit and occupying. I'm just ranting because that seems to be an archetype I've run into a lot in the past few years (not just in Boulder, but in Raleigh as well), people who think they should be able to put forth zero effort because they fancy themselves enlightened thinkers or whatever their justification happens to be.


jealous?

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#24 Oct 17 2011 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know, it would be pretty tough to only have 1 yacht when you're used to having 2


Olorinus is why the public school system in this country needs to be completely scrapped........
I don't even agree with Olo's point entirely, but how the fuck did her statement have anything to do with public schools in the US?
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Especially since she attended school in another country.
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