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Do you see the flaw in your logic?

Edited, Oct 17th 2011 5:04pm by gbaji

this, is a small group shot and not of a "crowd"? this one, is no smaller a crowd than some of your photos. You're cherry picking a relatively small number of the more recent photos, which are organized by more mainstream political groups. Heck, the second link in your list is specifically of a union group supporting the occupy movement. Gee, I can't imagine why they're all older (and carrying uniform printed glossy signs).



Yup. Strange that exactly the sort of "their actions will be used to support other people's agendas", which I talked about in the very first thread on this subject is what's happening. Shocking!



Lol! So the caption with the photo and news story about unions getting involved wasn't a tip off for you?"




When someone's claiming that the spontaneous and "grassroots" elements of this movement appeal to a broad range of people and then support that with pictures of rank and file union members, it does somewhat weaken the argument. Or did you lose track of the conversation somewhere along the way?

If it were a group of union members marching about raising taxes on wall street, no one would pay them any (much) mind. What's "special" about this is the young people "getting involved" and camping out, and supposedly *not* being part of existing political organizations. My point is that the independent and grassroots elements of this have not been able to come up with any sort of coherent message or agenda (unlike the Tea Party), but a number of established liberal organizations are now showing up to give them that agenda instead.

I've never seen you lose an argument so hard.

Really? So you think that "since I didn't do X and something bad happened, then doing X must be the solution!" is logically sound? You do realize that every single thing that wasn't done would have exactly the same weight. We didn't start a thermonuclear war and the economy went into the toilet, so clearly the solution to our problem is to start launching those nukes, right? And we didn't launch a mission to mars, so therefore if we do launch one, it'll fix our economy.

There's literally (and yes, I mean literally) an infinite set of things we "didn't do". It's a pretty stupid justification.



I was talking about the terrible logic being used. It would be wrong even if we were talking about who won last years superbowl. I didn't jump up and down while singing "I'm King Henry the Eighth I am!" during the last superbowl and my favorite team lost, therefore if I do sing that, my favorite team will win!

That's the flaw in the logic. It's flawed no matter what action you are recommending or what problem you think you'll solve. You're allowing your own investment in the specifics blind you into accepting absolutely horrible arguments in support of actions you already agree with.

Actually, the set is near infinite, as there is some set of things in the set of "things we did do" that when added to the set of "things we did not do (unbounded" create the infinite set of "things that we could have done (unbounded)" So you are still literally incorrect about using the term literally correctly.

I am technically correct, which is the best kind.

She didn't just say 'We didn't X and Y didn't happen' she first said 'We did -X and Y happened, the we did X and Y didn't happen.' You totally twisted what she was saying there.

I hope you do a little trimming at least.

The iMagination.

Patent office declined it because it was "Too broad" and for "prior art".

That just means you have a really sh:tty job and should probably try and make your life better.

Or end it.

I gotta tell you, I'm ambivalent.

The first day of protests here drew a pretty diverse group. Parents brought kids, grandparents and retirees, young people etc. Things went smoothly for a crowd of around 6,000 people.

Then Monday came and most people went back to their normal life. Now we have a small group of mostly unemployed college-age kids hanging out in the park and camping with the homeless people.