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#1 Oct 11 2011 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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... between the Tea Party and the Occupy movement.

I know there are those in either group that are rather offended by the comparison, and I'm sympathetic. To be honest I thought I could tell the difference too. Then I took this little quiz. It's multiple choice (most of the time with 2 choices) and I still only got 5 of 9 correct.

Sad day.

Both sides have enough of the same rhetoric apparently. No wonder us in the middle are all confused and drawing comparisons and such. Or did you just ace it, and I'm the one left in the dark here?
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We need to get both groups into a steel dome. TWO GROUPS ENTER ONE GROUP LEAVES.

And then shoot the ones that leave.

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I'm not sure either.

It was one of those surreal moments when I realized the far left and far right sounded the same to me.

Edited, Oct 11th 2011 12:31pm by someproteinguy
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They are the first of the "revolutionary freedom fighters" that will war amongst themselves for political dominance in the new third-world America. The winner will proclaim their blood thirsty warlord "president" while the rest of us our assured jobs manufacturing cocaine or digging for diamonds, lest we fall victim to one of the many acts of genocide to follow.
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It was one of those surreal moments when I realized the far left and far right sounded the same to me.

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6/9... ho hum.
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4/9 because I was trying to second guess the quiz.

Besides, the BBC didn't delve into the real difference between OWS and the Tea Party, which is the age of the participants. Most of the OWS folks I've seen are significantly younger than their Tea Party counterparts. Crikes, a girl who was arrested from OWS had pink hair with a Gir hat on. She looked like she just stepped out of an anime convention.
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In other news, the Occupy Gainesville event started tomorrow morning at 8:00 here. I'm estimating it'll be a flop, because:
1. It's a college campus in the South. Sure, it might be HUGE, but kids are apathetic and generally only really liberal when it comes to drinking, drugs, and ***.
2. It's a freaking Wednesday morning.
3. This is Gainesville. People here burn Korans. They're more likely to get shot or counter-protested rather than being effective.
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Both sides have enough of the same rhetoric apparently. No wonder us in the middle are all confused and drawing comparisons and such. Or did you just ace it, and I'm the one left in the dark here?


The quiz is contrived to make it nearly impossible to tell the difference. About 5 of the 9 questions are pretty much just guesses.


There are two missing word questions, which are absolute guesses. If you guess "Government", it's something the Tea Party said. If you guess "Wall Street" (or equivalent), it's something the Occupy folks said. But the entire meaning of the sentence changes based on the word choice. Kinda irrelevant.

Three other questions were so vaguely worded that they could have been said by anyone in any political movement:

"I have children and grandchildren, and I don't want them to grow up in this world. I want the world to change. It can be done." Who said it?

Who said: "I'm just saying this feels an awful a lot like the 60s or 70s when I was a kid. I mean, you have the same feeling out here that government and nation have parted paths and the people will bring government back to the nation"?

"You leave your own country and you expect things to be better in America, a step or two up from what you left back home. And then there's this rude awakening: America is just not what it used to be." Who said this?

So that's 5 of the 9 that are basically just guesses. Add in the trick question at number one (Palin complaining about "crony capitalism" on the part of the Obama administration), and you can argue that 6 of the 9 are designed to be random guesses or misleading at best.

The only three that are clear answers (and which I'll wager nearly everyone got right) are the following:

Who complained: "At this point I don't see any difference between George Bush and Obama. The middle class is a lot worse than when Obama was elected"?

This is actually nearly a guess too, but given the past reference to Obama's election, it's a good bet it's an Occupy person complaining about Obama.

"We got sold out! Banks got bailed out!" Where can this chant be heard?

Obviously Occupy.

"Republicans, Democrats and independents are stepping up and demanding we put our fiscal house in order. I think the overriding message after years of borrowing, spending and bailouts is enough is enough." Who said it?

Obviously Tea Party.



The quiz basically avoids putting in statements which actually differentiate the two groups. Basically, if the complaint is against banks and corporations then it's an Occupier. If the complaint is against government, then it's a Tea Partier. That's a pretty clear distinction. Both groups complain about the state of things, but every group does that. The difference is in who they blame for the problem and what they think should be done.


If you really can't tell the difference (in real life, not in this silly quiz), then you aren't paying much attention.
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In other news, the Occupy Gainesville event started tomorrow morning at 8:00 here. I'm estimating it'll be a flop, because:
1. It's a college campus in the South. Sure, it might be HUGE, but kids are apathetic and generally only really liberal when it comes to drinking, drugs, and ***.
2. It's a freaking Wednesday morning.
3. This is Gainesville. People here burn Korans. They're more likely to get shot or counter-protested rather than being effective.



Good thing I don't have to go down there till Jan. Just incase were they holding this mess at, and would it make getting to and from Shands take longer?
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In other news, the Occupy Gainesville event started tomorrow morning at 8:00 here. I'm estimating it'll be a flop, because:
1. It's a college campus in the South. Sure, it might be HUGE, but kids are apathetic and generally only really liberal when it comes to drinking, drugs, and ***.
2. It's a freaking Wednesday morning.
3. This is Gainesville. People here burn Korans. They're more likely to get shot or counter-protested rather than being effective.



Good thing I don't have to go down there till Jan. Just incase were they holding this mess at, and would it make getting to and from Shands take longer?


I believe it's at the Bo Diddly Community Plaza; it's a couple miles from campus, so it shouldn't cause an issue at Shands, but it may depending on if and where they decide to march. Are you going to work at the hospital, or study? I work right across from it.
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event started tomorrow morning

Smiley: dubious
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event started tomorrow morning

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Marty! You have to got "Back to the Future!"


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Marty! You have to got "Back to the Future!"

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9:13 a.m. | Barbara Sieling, who drove an hour from her home between Bronson and Newberry to get to Occupy Gainesville, got up on the stage to vent about the lack of young people here so far.

Sieling said the protest should also be in a more visible spot, like the intersection of West University Avenue and 13th Street or in front of Rep. Cliff Stearns‘ office.


Called it Smiley: lol I doubt there are many people at all, and the location for it is pretty poor if they wanted to get college students involved (as it is a few miles from campus). Would have had much better luck getting a crowd together in the Plaza of the Americas and marching from there.
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event started tomorrow morning

Smiley: dubious
Marty! You have to got "Back to the Future!"

Smiley: dubious
It sucks thinking you have a zinger and really just have a glaring typo. Smiley: disappointed
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Probably not even awake yet, Barbie. Calm down.
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#22varusword75, Posted: Oct 12 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is nothing more than desperate radical libs trying to offset the successes of the tea party. When the occupy movement starts getting people elected and using their message to effectively shape the direction of the govn then you can start comparing them to the tea party. But they won't so you won't. Have you seen the people that make up these occupy movement? They're out there breaking the law every chance they get. Now compare them to how the members of the tea party conduct themselves. Or we could try and compare how the occupy people are paid as opposed to the people that attend the tea party events.
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They're out there breaking the law every chance they get. Now compare them to how the members of the tea party conduct themselves.

The irony, it kills me.
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It's cute you think one is a pack of crazies and the other isn't.
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It's cute you think one is a pack of crazies and the other isn't.

Regardless of who is and isn't nuts, why is "the success of the tea party" delusional?
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It's cute you think one is a pack of crazies and the other isn't.
Regardless of who is and isn't nuts, why is "the success of the tea party" delusional?
I was commenting on varus' inane delusions. IE: everything tea party does = automatically successful and the only thing to do.
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I'd hate to do something I'd obviously fail at, too. Smiley: smile
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Granted yankees carry out their days in a state of perpetual p*ssedoffedness but that goes without saying.

At one point, 'Yankees' meant all Americans. You know, the people who had a tea party.


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Granted yankees carry out their days in a state of perpetual p*ssedoffedness but that goes without saying.

At one point, 'Yankees' meant all Americans. You know, the people who had a tea party.


At one point? It still does.
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lagaga,

Granted yankees carry out their days in a state of perpetual p*ssedoffedness but that goes without saying.

At one point, 'Yankees' meant all Americans. You know, the people who had a tea party.



Yanks still means all Americans, in the same way that Limeys means all Brits. Smiley: schooled
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Basically, if the complaint is against banks and corporations then it's an Occupier. If the complaint is against government, then it's a Tea Partier.


46% of occupy people are protesting about government corruption, that's twice as much as any other gripe.

Well according to that survey at least; which is a subset of CNN viewers, hardly 'scientific' I suppose.
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Basically, if the complaint is against banks and corporations then it's an Occupier. If the complaint is against government, then it's a Tea Partier.


46% of occupy people are protesting about government corruption, that's twice as much as any other gripe.

Well according to that survey at least; which is a subset of CNN viewers, hardly 'scientific' I suppose.


Very unscientific. Also, "Government corruption" is a pretty broad phrase. Does that mean government using its power to corrupt other aspects of our life? Or (far more likely), government corruption *by* wealthy corporations and lobbyists. The Tea Party opposes government interfering with private businesses and people. I'm going to speculate that the bulk of Occupiers oppose private business and wealthy people interfering in government, and not as much the other way around.

You also have to remember that you've got at least two very different groups involved. The fringe right (probably the far smaller group) and the fringe left. Communists and Libertarians might both oppose "government corruption", but have very very very different ideas about what to do about it.

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lagaga,

Granted yankees carry out their days in a state of perpetual p*ssedoffedness but that goes without saying.

At one point, 'Yankees' meant all Americans. You know, the people who had a tea party.



Yanks still means all Americans, in the same way that Limeys means all Brits. Smiley: schooled

Funny, I've never called 'em limeys. I've always thought prick worked so much better.
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The funniest part of this is the communist and liberal countries in the world are all doing better than the capitalist conservative countries....maybe its because they have taxes on people so they can pay the bills.

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Also, "Government corruption" is a pretty broad phrase. Does that mean government using its power to corrupt other aspects of our life? Or (far more likely), government corruption *by* wealthy corporations and lobbyists. The Tea Party opposes government interfering with private businesses and people. I'm going to speculate that the bulk of Occupiers oppose private business and wealthy people interfering in government, and not as much the other way around.


Maybe I'm off base here, but less government corruption to me would mean less Solyndras. Which seems like a good thing. I suppose I'd be pretty surprised if someone one of the far left members was campaigning against 'green energy subsidies' though.
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Granted yankees carry out their days in a state of perpetual p*ssedoffedness but that goes without saying.

At one point, 'Yankees' meant all Americans. You know, the people who had a tea party.



Yanks still means all Americans, in the same way that Limeys means all Brits. Smiley: schooled

Funny, I've never called 'em limeys. I've always thought prick worked so much better.

Troll someone else Smiley: wink
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Also, "Government corruption" is a pretty broad phrase. Does that mean government using its power to corrupt other aspects of our life? Or (far more likely), government corruption *by* wealthy corporations and lobbyists. The Tea Party opposes government interfering with private businesses and people. I'm going to speculate that the bulk of Occupiers oppose private business and wealthy people interfering in government, and not as much the other way around.


Maybe I'm off base here, but less government corruption to me would mean less Solyndras. Which seems like a good thing. I suppose I'd be pretty surprised if someone one of the far left members was campaigning against 'green energy subsidies' though.


That's pretty much exactly my point. They say "government corruption", but I doubt that the phrase means what it would mean if I were saying it. I don't think they mean wasteful spending, or programs which funnel money back into liberal supported/lobbied causes. They mean government bailing out banks instead of handing out free food, shelter, medical care, and education to the masses.

I'll freely admit that my cart is a bit ahead of my horse here. I'm assuming that most of the protesters are young liberal college aged types and thus that their positions will reflect the set usually held by that group. I suppose it's possible that this is a completely new set of young people, with completely new sets of positions that don't fit into the traditional "left/right" alignment. But I don't think that's the case. I think that this is just more of the same (mostly) liberal ranting, but with a deliberate attempt to avoid labeling them as such in an attempt to make it look like this is something new and different.


Dunno. I don't think it'll work. It sure looks like the same usual suspects to me.
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The funniest part of this is the communist and liberal countries in the world are all doing better than the capitalist conservative countries....maybe its because they have taxes on people so they can pay the bills.


That depends very heavily on how you measure "doing better". The US could operate with 90% of its population living in abject poverty and working in the equivalent of sweatshops, operate industries with minimal environmental protections, and funnel all of the money not needed to keep the population in that poor state into building government controlled wealth and we'd be "doing well" economically as well.

I don't think that's the measurement most people use though.
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ya because Canada, Germany, France, and Australia operate with 90% of their populous in poverty Smiley: rolleyes

**** France and Germany are supporting a large chunk of the EU.
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ya because Canada, Germany, France, and Australia operate with 90% of their populous in poverty Smiley: rolleyes

**** France and Germany are supporting a large chunk of the EU.


Those are communist countries? Do you see how you don't get to refute my statement by changing it first? I'm sure there's a logical fallacy that addresses exactly that.


However, if you want to talk about whether or not those "liberal" countries (whatever that means) are "doing better" than the more capitalist/free-market ones, that's really a whole topic by itself. I'd argue that the more socialistic aspects of their economic systems allow their governments more power to conceal economic downturns in terms of direct impact on their population, but they aren't "doing better" in the long run as a result. When your economy already consumes large portions of the total productive output of the nation to provide social safety nets for the population, the population doesn't notice right away when the economy takes a downturn. The government just has to borrow more money to provide for the people. They're getting the same housing, food, medicine, education, transportation, etc that they got before. Right until the money runs out, of course.


The only reason the US is in as much trouble as it is, is because we foolishly elected Democrats right as the financial downturn happened and they decided to "fix" our economy by embarking on a massive campaign to change us into the same sort of social-safety-net system all at once. It's that attempt to adopt the European model at the exact wrong time that caused our problems. If we'd just addressed the problem (assets in the financial markets) via TARP and then stopped, the people would have suffered some economic problems for a short period of time, but we'd be in full recovery right now. It was because of those liberal economic policies that we're in the mess we're in. We'd be "doing better" than all the countries you listed if it were not for that.


It's not a failure of capitalism that caused our problems. If the GOP had been running things fully in 2008 and retained that control from 2008-2010, we would be sitting pretty right now. Unfortunately, our country had to relearn the hard way just how foolish the left's economic policies are, and will have to continue to suffer anemic recovery for the next 14 months until hopefully we get the GOP back in control of our economy and can finally fix things.

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#50 Oct 13 2011 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
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Communists and Libertarians might both oppose "government corruption", but have very very very different ideas about what to do about it.


The funniest part of this is the communist and liberal countries in the world are all doing better than the capitalist conservative countries....maybe its because they have taxes on people so they can pay the bills.


That depends very heavily on how you measure "doing better". The US could operate with 90% of its population living in abject poverty and working in the equivalent of sweatshops, operate industries with minimal environmental protections, and funnel all of the money not needed to keep the population in that poor state into building government controlled wealth and we'd be "doing well" economically as well.

I don't think that's the measurement most people use though.

Well, some would say that's where we're headed, so we'll see if this holds true in a few years.
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No they are not communist countries but they do fall into the spectrum of liberalism. It could be argued that these countries are socialist (i like to think canada already is a social democracy.)
I suppose you could look at it like this.

America is far right
China is far left
Canada, Russia, France, Brazil, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Finland, and so on and so forth, are between them.

Im no sure how to make this easy so you don't miss the point. um.

You have capitalism, and you have communism, the countries I listed take a little bit from each extreme, resulting in a free market social program filled country.


Oh and before you throw your hands up and shout I didn't say that I said this...
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Communists and Libertarians might both oppose "government corruption", but have very very very different ideas about what to do about it.


Everyone of those countries is doing better than the US, and everyone of them have both capitalistic, and social policies that mesh very well together. For instance the Canadian, French and German Govt's all pay less as a % of GDP on their universal health system, then the US does for it's free market health system. Just one example.


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