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#27 Oct 06 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're so horribly misinformed, I wonder where to begin. It's nice to see that you can quote Wikipedia, but that doesn't really mean ****.

The Fed has two purposes. They are, explicitly:

1. Engage in the purchase and sale of Treasury bonds to control the money supply (monetary policy) with the goal of providing for a stable common currency (low inflation) and low unemployment (but not zero!).

2. Act as the "lender of last resort" for private banking institutions.

They don't supervise, regulate, or otherwise have any control over private banks; you're thinking of the FDIC, which is a body of the US Treasury Department.

The only way in which the Fed indirectly influences private banks, besides lending, is by setting target interest rates, which are generally adopted by private lending institutions for inter-bank loans. These target interest rates are not official in any capacity, but they signal the private market as to the Fed's intentions with regards to the future course of monetary policy, which helps to reduce economic uncertainty and promote long-term investment.
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#28 Oct 06 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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He doesn't quote Wiki, fool! He utilizes super sekret sources that he pities the rest of us for not having access to. Wiki... HAH!
#29 Oct 06 2011 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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#30 Oct 06 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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stable prices, including prevention of either inflation or deflation... Fail yet again


Didn't someone link a nifty graphic showing inflation/deflation fluxuations over the entire history of the US which showed pretty clearly that those fluxuations did get more stable after the Fed was introduced the last time you went on this exact same tirade? Did that just flow right through your brain and out the other side? While I'm certainly not a cheerleader for the Fed, it's absolutely true that what they do is a trade off of economic forces which by and large has been a net positive for the US economy.

At the very least restating the same blatantly false "facts" isn't likely to influence anyone.

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if you went to a bank, the best you can hope for in return for your dollar bill is a piece of paper that states that the bank owes you one dollar.


Lol! You're kidding right? So if I hand a dollar to a bank all I'll get is a piece of paper that says they owe me a dollar? And that's a problem? Do you know what a dollar is? Smiley: laugh

I'm getting this strong flashback to the part of Time Enough For Love where Lazarus Long is running a bank on a colony and has to explain to someone why he burns the money people use to pay their loans back. You really don't understand how currency works at all.

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In case anyone reading this is confused, the Fed doesn't print money literary, but they print money via debt..IE credit.


Oh yeah. Very strong flashback.
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#31 Oct 06 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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if you went to a bank, the best you can hope for in return for your dollar bill is a piece of paper that states that the bank owes you one dollar.


Lol! You're kidding right? So if I hand a dollar to a bank all I'll get is a piece of paper that says they owe me a dollar? And that's a problem? Do you know what a dollar is? Smiley: laugh

The economy would be way awesomer if you could exchange your dollars for tangible value like gold, the value of which is measured in dollars.

Duh!
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#32 Oct 06 2011 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've never seen such a young kid with this much knowledge.


Within the first 30 seconds he says something that most young kids would know is false. I use the term "most" due to obvious lack of knowledge the group there has about it. Show me a person that speaks Smiley: schooled and not Smiley: tinfoilhat and I will get back to you.
#33 Oct 06 2011 at 7:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've never seen such a young kid with this much knowledge.


Within the first 30 seconds he says something that most young kids would know is false. I use the term "most" due to obvious lack of knowledge the group there has about it. Show me a person that speaks Smiley: schooled and not Smiley: tinfoilhat and I will get back to you.

Oooo, oooo, I got this one, it's "banks print money" right? Do I get a cookie? Smiley: grin
#34REDACTED, Posted: Oct 06 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Fed is the main problem for obvious reasons. They're supposed to keep the U.S. economy strong, not make these insides deals lining their own profits. At a time when most of the world is bankrupt...France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Iceland(almost) and now the USA, it's ironic how the Fed can make profits as the US dollar continues to lose value.
#35REDACTED, Posted: Oct 06 2011 at 10:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Here is another very short video that illustrates my main gripe against the Fed. It's only 2mins long, but start the video at 1min if you want to hear the important part. Essentially Ron Paul is concerned because parts of the Fed are untouchable(not transparent). On top of that, the Fed is "printing money" to bail out all these other central banks overseas. Considering the USA is broke according to economists and our politicians, how can we afford to bail out Greece and other countries. It's obviously not a good idea when the US is barely treading water.
#36 Oct 07 2011 at 12:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm gonna be honest, I keep giggling like a schoolgirl every time I read "Ad Hominid attacks".


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I don't even want to debate this.
But you'll keep linking videos trying to prove your point anyway, right?
#37 Oct 07 2011 at 1:01 AM Rating: Default
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But you'll keep linking videos trying to prove your point anyway, right?


Honestly I'm just curious if anyone will argue against Ron Paul's facts. I realize I'm not an expert nor do I pretend to be one. Ron Paul has been pushing against the Fed for over 35 years. I don't think Ron Paul is wrong for a variety of reasons. We all know America sends billions of dollars across the pond to various countries such as Pakistan. Ironically the politicians say they can't pay for social security or medicare. Obviously something doesn't add up. If I'm wrong, what's the right answer. Why is America spending billions and billions overseas?

The short answer to your question is I want to meet people on common ground. My integrity was challenged because of failed communications on previous posts, yet people all want to cherry pick mistakes and fail to address the concerns. I'm not here because I want or need to be right. I'm here because I want all Americans on the same page.
#38 Oct 07 2011 at 1:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kid looks like a younger Seth Meyers.

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#39 Oct 07 2011 at 3:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I'm here because I want all Americans on the same page.
Yet you don't want to debate the merits of your positions. You effectively just want everyone on YOUR page and to hell with other positions. You find yourself faltering to argue your positions and then withdraw to a point of "Ron Paul said it, so it's true!" and "I don't want to debate, but here's more Ron Paul!". You say that

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I'm not here because I want or need to be right.
but your actions show very clearly that you are.
#40REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 6:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's not my intention at all. It's more likely that now that I have posted better links, you no longer have an argument to troll me on. As for trying to change people's opinion, that not my goal. I just wanted a starting point to see where people stood and find out their ideas. After posting links from an expert, nobody has bothered to address the issue itself. I'm also interested if anyone has the balls to insult Ron Paul as an expert on the subject.
#41 Oct 07 2011 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
So you aren't posting links of Ron Paul, you are posting links from an expert, who just happens to be Ron Paul?

Wat?
#42 Oct 07 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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After posting links from an expert, nobody has bothered to address the issue itself.
The vids you posted late-ish last night, you mean?
#43REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2011 at 6:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, I want to hear people either say Ron Paul is right or Ron Paul is wrong. I can't really defend my position because I'm not an expert, but I have studied experts and I believe in Paul. For those that don't believe Ron Paul, all I want is their answer why these conditions exist within the Fed. If the Fed isn't the problem, what is the problem. It's quite simple.
#44 Oct 07 2011 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't really defend my position because I'm not an expert, but I have studied experts...


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#45 Oct 07 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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If Ron Paul is such a vaunted expert, how come only crackpot conspiracy theorists like you listen to him?
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#46 Oct 07 2011 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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#47 Oct 07 2011 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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The vids you posted late-ish last night, you mean?


Yeah, I want to hear people either say Ron Paul is right or Ron Paul is wrong. I can't really defend my position because I'm not an expert, but I have studied experts and I believe in Paul. For those that don't believe Ron Paul, all I want is their answer why these conditions exist within the Fed. If the Fed isn't the problem, what is the problem. It's quite simple.


Short version: Some of Ron Paul's data is correct, but usually (Like any half decent politician) he is making normative statements about how things should work, and how they currently work relative to his world view, rather than statements that can be proven factually correct or incorrect. He draws some conclusions based on how he believes people to act rather than the actual way they act and believes in some psychological effects that do not follow.
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#48 Oct 07 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I liked Ron Paul when I first heard many of his views, but the more I hear, the less grounded in reality I think he is. For example, in one interview he claimed that a completely laissez faire economy, the businesses would regulate themselves to weed out collusion and corruption. Of course, that has NEVER happened in the history of the world, but he thinks it will if the government disappears.

I think back to the Industrial Revolution and think if that's what Ron Paul wants, I don't want him.
#49 Oct 07 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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The Fed is the main problem for obvious reasons. They're supposed to keep the U.S. economy strong, not make these insides deals lining their own profits. At a time when most of the world is bankrupt...France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Iceland(almost) and now the USA, it's ironic how the Fed can make profits as the US dollar continues to lose value.


It's difficult to make a profit when you're lending at a 0% interest rate plus transactional fees from banks. Especially when all revenues above operating expenses are given to the US treasury.

You can however say that Fed regional governors try to shift monetary policy to aid their regional interests, but that's kinda the point
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We all know America sends billions of dollars across the pond to various countries such as Pakistan. Ironically the politicians say they can't pay for social security or medicare. Obviously something doesn't add up. If I'm wrong, what's the right answer. Why is America spending billions and billions overseas?


Because bribes are cheaper than missiles.
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#51 Oct 07 2011 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good news, everyone upset with the OWS people claiming they're the "99%"! You have your own group now: the 53% of Americans who pay income taxes each year!
http://the53.tumblr.com/
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We, the 53% of income-earners who pay taxes, hereby refuse to ***** about it. We’re happy to make a living. Just because we could whine about stuff doesn’t mean we will. That is all.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-53-want-the-99-to-learn-from-their-example/
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Meet The 53%. Who are they? The term 53% refers to the people who are actually paying taxes for themselves and the rest of the country.

The 53% is a group of responsible young people organizing across the country. However, this group is not camping out in parks around the country and demanding the entire capitalist system be destroyed. These men and women have jobs (most of them work at more than one job in order to make ends meet), but they are talking about attending the Minneapolis Occupy Wall St. protest scheduled for today – Friday, October 7th.

Reports out of Minneapolis say that a protest is expected today in front of the Government Plaza in downtown Minneapolis. The movement states they are going to try and reclaim and rename this area “The People’s Plaza.” Members of the 53% have mentioned that they will be in attendance to offer a counter opinion to the protest.


Ironically (to me at least), after all the claims that the OWS groups aren't "grassroots" campaigns but were started by lefty activists, this group is started up by right-wing filmmakers, bloggers, and activists. Go figure.

It's also interesting to note that I'm part of both groups, as I pay income rates but am nowhere near the 1% bracket of America. Yay inclusiveness!
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