Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

CircumcisionFollow

#27 Oct 03 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It's only mutilation when the dirty, mean peeps do it to their daughters.

My cousin had to have heart surgery a couple weeks after he was born (something about his heart working in the reverse direction). He has scars on his chest much more dramatic than any circumcision marks. Did his parents "mutilate" him without his consent?

Not remotely the same. Would your cousin have lived had he not had the surgery? From what you've said, probably not.


On the other hand, would you have died had you not had your ******** removed?

I've got a ********, I'm not dead.


Circumcision is unnecessary. The benefits it yields can be achieved via other methods.
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#28 Oct 03 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
*****
12,049 posts
Elinda wrote:
If you want to justify cutting off part of your ***** to make it easier to keep clean, so be it, but circumcision is not medically necessary.

False argument. Who here said circumcision is medically necessary? The most that was said is that there's some degree of protection against infections and STDs from it. Of course it's not necessary; that doesn't mean it should be banned.
#29 Oct 03 2011 at 8:07 AM Rating: Default
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:
If you want to justify cutting off part of your ***** to make it easier to keep clean, so be it, but circumcision is not medically necessary.

False argument. Who here said circumcision is medically necessary? The most that was said is that there's some degree of protection against infections and STDs from it. Of course it's not necessary; that doesn't mean it should be banned.

Not to nitpick, but Joph kinda alluded to that just now with his anecdote about his cousin.
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#30 Oct 03 2011 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Nilatai wrote:
Not remotely the same.

Funny, people are saying the same about male and female circumcision. You decided you're the sole arbiter of what's mutilation now?
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#31 Oct 03 2011 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Not remotely the same.

Funny, people are saying the same about male and female circumcision. You decided you're the sole arbiter of what's mutilation now?

Could you respond to what I actually said instead of treating me like Varus?
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#32 Oct 03 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Nilatai wrote:
Not to nitpick, but Joph kinda alluded to that just now with his anecdote about his cousin.

Not at all. I was questioning the notion that we were going to start throwing the word "mutilation" around without any agreed upon definition. I would say the physical effects upon my cousin were much more dramatic than the effects of a standard circumcision but you seem to think that it doesn't count as mutilation.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#33 Oct 03 2011 at 8:10 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Nilatai wrote:
Could you respond to what I actually said instead of treating me like Varus?

Can you stop acting like Varus and stop using emotionally-laden catchphrases in lieu of a reasoned argument?


Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 9:10am by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#34 Oct 03 2011 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Not to nitpick, but Joph kinda alluded to that just now with his anecdote about his cousin.

Not at all. I was questioning the notion that we were going to start throwing the word "mutilation" around without any agreed upon definition. I would say the physical effects upon my cousin were much more dramatic than the effects of a standard circumcision but you seem to think that it doesn't count as mutilation.

I could make the same analogies towards myself.

I have a condition called Arthrogryposis Multiplex Congenita. Amongst other things I was born with clubbed feet and severely limited use of my hands. I underwent surgeries from the time I was 18 months old until I was 15, to give me the ability to walk, run, use a pen, type and almost everything other people can do.

The surgeries were very invasive and have left me with numerous scars. Likewise with your cousin, I wouldn't consider this to be mutilation, because they were necessary for me to live a 'normal' life.


Circumcision, on the other hand, as I've said above, is not necessary to live a 'normal' life. Also, as I said above, the benefits gained can be achieved by other means, without the need for surgery. This is why I would classify it as genital mutilation. It is unnecessary. I would consider most cosmetic surgery to be mutilation, too, by the way. All though most people arrive at that decision by themselves, it's not forced upon them by a parent or guardian.
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#35 Oct 03 2011 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Nilatai wrote:
Also, as I said above, the benefits gained can be achieved by other means, without the need for surgery.

Not all benefits can be gained without surgery but you do seem to agree that there's beneficial aspects. So a medically beneficial procedure, but not "necessary", is mutilation?

See, I can't get behind that so when I see someone relying on that word to make their argument for them, I can't really take them seriously.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#36 Oct 03 2011 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Also, as I said above, the benefits gained can be achieved by other means, without the need for surgery.

Not all benefits can be gained without surgery but you do seem to agree that there's beneficial aspects. So a medically beneficial procedure, but not "necessary", is mutilation?

See, I can't get behind that so when I see someone relying on that word to make their argument for them, I can't really take them seriously.

Why do it at birth, rather than waiting for that man to be able to make the choice for himself? Is he at risk of having sex before he's mature enough to make that decision?
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#37 Oct 03 2011 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
****
5,684 posts
Nilatai wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Also, as I said above, the benefits gained can be achieved by other means, without the need for surgery.

Not all benefits can be gained without surgery but you do seem to agree that there's beneficial aspects. So a medically beneficial procedure, but not "necessary", is mutilation?

See, I can't get behind that so when I see someone relying on that word to make their argument for them, I can't really take them seriously.

Why do it at birth, rather than waiting for that man to be able to make the choice for himself? Is he at risk of having sex before he's mature enough to make that decision?
because nobody wants to remember that ****.


Stop being angry that your ***** looks funny.
#38 Oct 03 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Bardalicious wrote:
Stop being angry that your ***** looks funny.

From my perspective it's your ***** that looks funny. I don't think there's a non-Jewish/Muslim state outside of the US where circumcision is the norm.
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#39 Oct 03 2011 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
*******
50,767 posts
Nilatai wrote:
Why do it at birth,
Baby is less tempted to use it while it's healing?
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#40 Oct 03 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Neonatal circumcision offers more benefits and less risks than adult circumcision. Prevention of penile cancer, for example, is observed only in neonatal circumcision cases. Likewise, healing is much quicker and risk of scarring and infection is much less.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#41 Oct 03 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
Kind of related...

I thought this was interesting. Male circumcision is being used to combat HIV in Africa - the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation provides the main funding.

Ok, here's a far-fetched speculative type thought...

If indeed male circumcision made for longer living, more reproductive healthier men. Given sufficient eons would the ******** have eventually evolved away to nothing, or maybe just a cute little skin flap, all on it's own?








Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 4:38pm by Elinda
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#42 Oct 03 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Excellent
****
5,684 posts
Elinda wrote:

If indeed male circumcision made for longer living, more reproductive healthier men. Given sufficient eons would the ******** have eventually evolved away to nothing, or maybe just a cute little skin flap, all on it's own?
No.
#43 Oct 03 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Elinda wrote:
If indeed male circumcision made for longer living, more reproductive healthier men. Given sufficient eons would the ******** have eventually evolved away to nothing, or maybe just a cute little skin flap, all on it's own?

No not really. By the time any longevity based effects came into effect or not the individuals would have already passed on their genetic information to the next generation.


It's kind of the reason why health debilitating effects are so common later in life.


Jophiel wrote:
Neonatal circumcision offers more benefits and less risks than adult circumcision. Prevention of penile cancer, for example, is observed only in neonatal circumcision cases. Likewise, healing is much quicker and risk of scarring and infection is much less.

Fair enough. Thanks.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 10:43am by Nilatai
____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#44 Oct 03 2011 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
For that matter the ******** may have played a more beneficial role in our pre-loincloth days that overshadowed its potential drawbacks.

Anyway, no one is suggesting that having a ******** means you'll be riddled with disease and complications. Circumcision is more a "quality of life" issue.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#45 Oct 03 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
The President of the United States put through a healthcare law that was very big on preventative care. From that perspective, I don't understand why we don't mandate it and be done with it.
#46 Oct 03 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
Nilatai wrote:
Elinda wrote:
If indeed male circumcision made for longer living, more reproductive healthier men. Given sufficient eons would the ******** have eventually evolved away to nothing, or maybe just a cute little skin flap, all on it's own?

No not really. By the time any longevity based effects came into effect or not the individuals would have already passed on their genetic information to the next generation.
I suppose the absence of a ********, even if it did make the species more survivable, isn't a trait that could be bred in/out or smaller or bigger.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#47 Oct 03 2011 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
MoebiusLord wrote:
The President of the United States put through a healthcare law that was very big on preventative care. From that perspective, I don't understand why we don't mandate it and be done with it.

Start going door to door with your petition.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#48 Oct 03 2011 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
MoebiusLord wrote:
The President of the United States put through a healthcare law that was very big on preventative care. From that perspective, I don't understand why we don't mandate it and be done with it.

Foreskins are part of the Axis of Evil.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#49 Oct 03 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
I remember standing at the communal trough that served as our urinal in the 1st grade, as Johnny, pissing next to me was made fun of by the other boys for having a "funny" looking *****.

I asked my Dad why his looked different than mine and he told me not to look at it or mine would look different too.

I never saw Johnny's uncircumcised ***** again.

<3 u Dad.
____________________________
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin


#50 Oct 03 2011 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
Drunken English Bastard
*****
15,268 posts
Elinda wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Elinda wrote:
If indeed male circumcision made for longer living, more reproductive healthier men. Given sufficient eons would the ******** have eventually evolved away to nothing, or maybe just a cute little skin flap, all on it's own?

No not really. By the time any longevity based effects came into effect or not the individuals would have already passed on their genetic information to the next generation.
I suppose the absence of a ********, even if it did make the species more survivable, isn't a trait that could be bred in/out or smaller or bigger.

Something like that.



____________________________
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.

LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#51 Oct 03 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
*****
14,454 posts
I'll make sure to ask the boys if they feel we mutilated them when they got circumsized. I'll report back when Xavier gets out of school what he said. In the meantime, I'm happy to report that Ashe asked what mutilate means and after explaining he thinks it's silly I would ask since he doesn't remember and he knows I love him. And Soren, after contemplating for a bit, just asked if he could have another banana.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 286 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (286)