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#952 Oct 26 2011 at 5:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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[quote=Almalieque][quote=Nilatai]Isn't Alma always saying that it's not the same thing to point out that discrimination against race and sexuality are essentially the same thing? I'm fairly sure it's always his argument that sexuality is special, now he's trying to say it's not.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.


I never argued that sexuality was special. I argued that the discrimination against a physical trait is not the same thing as discrimination as a personal trait.


Are instincts physical traits, yes or no?


If we are using the same definition, I would say no they are not. Your instincts can and will change as you experience life.

Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?
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I was pointing out that just because some people think a form of discrimination is right or wrong

Not "right or wrong", exists or doesn't exist. The ruling isn't "This is some damn fine discrimination", it's "This does not count as discrimination under the law". Now you can ***** about "under the law" but, again, we're not talking about "you picked an apple over a pear" shit here but actual terms with actual meanings in government.

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That doesn't answer my question. If there exists a "Tyler Perry", then my scenario isn't valid.

Then the dinosaur ninjas attack?

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You're overlooking the common sense factor.

Says the guy with the scenario where every casting agent in the world only hires white males...

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Being legitimate doesn't mean it's no longer discrimination. That's kind of the whole point of the conversation.

Under the law covering BFOQs, that's exactly what it means. That's kind of the whole point of that legislation.

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So, if I own a store, like "Hot Topic" and I have an image of what I want my employees to look like, can I not hire people who aren't "goth" enough?

Erm... yes? Absolutely? Were you under the impression that "goth" was a protected status under anti-discrimination law?
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#954 Oct 26 2011 at 5:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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People CHOOSE to cast people of certain skin colors because that's what people most relate to. It's harder to imagine a movie about Bruce Lee when he is being played by a white male.
The movie version of Shawshank Redemption has a black guy (Morgan Freeman) named 'Red'.

I've long since lost my copy of that short story, but I'm almost positive he was black in the book as well. His hair had a reddish tint to it though, so that's where the nickname came from.
As best I can remember, his was race wasn't mentioned in the book. I saw 'Red' and figured Irishman. In the movie, his character's full name is Ellis Boyd Redding, clearing up any misconception as to why he is called 'Red.' I have Different Seasons laying around here somewhere, maybe I'll give it a quick re-read just for curiosities sake.
#955 Oct 26 2011 at 5:47 AM Rating: Excellent
I kept seeing 'Traditional Marraige' on the last page.

Are we talking about the ones where the wife is the property of her husband? Or the ones where the wives are the property of their husband? It's all so confusing to me.
#956 Oct 26 2011 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
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People CHOOSE to cast people of certain skin colors because that's what people most relate to. It's harder to imagine a movie about Bruce Lee when he is being played by a white male.
The movie version of Shawshank Redemption has a black guy (Morgan Freeman) named 'Red'.

I've long since lost my copy of that short story, but I'm almost positive he was black in the book as well. His hair had a reddish tint to it though, so that's where the nickname came from.
As best I can remember, his was race wasn't mentioned in the book. I saw 'Red' and figured Irishman. In the movie, his character's full name is Ellis Boyd Redding, clearing up any misconception as to why he is called 'Red.' I have Different Seasons laying around here somewhere, maybe I'll give it a quick re-read just for curiosities sake.

Ok, then let me borrow it because I lost all my SK paperbacks during a move. Smiley: glare
#957 Oct 26 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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When trying to defend your capacity to be understood, the logical defense is not "acknowledge being awful at grammar and expressing a thought, then blame the entire english language, assert that proper grammar is not necessary, and then fault everyone else for not getting you."

But thanks for outing yourself as someone who'll frantically stab out in any direction to avoid admitting that you're the problem. Sure made my job easy.
#958 Oct 26 2011 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Whatever excuse you need to make so you can sleep for being reactive instead of proactive.
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#959 Oct 26 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
I kept seeing 'Traditional Marraige' on the last page.

Are we talking about the ones where the wife is the property of her husband? Or the ones where the wives are the property of their husband? It's all so confusing to me.

That's the main problem with SSM, how do you know which husband owns which husband? And in the case of Lesbians, there's no one to own those unruly women!
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#960 Oct 26 2011 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Once again, Alma is @#%^ing retarded.


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#961Almalieque, Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 12:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So you finally agree that there are logical reasons to discriminate on skin color?
#962 Oct 26 2011 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
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Nilatai wrote:

Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?


I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.

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Not "right or wrong", exists or doesn't exist. The ruling isn't "This is some damn fine discrimination", it's "This does not count as discrimination under the law". Now you can ***** about "under the law" but, again, we're not talking about "you picked an apple over a pear" **** here but actual terms with actual meanings in government.


False. It is ruled as logical discrimination, hence my question if directors stopped casting all minorities all together.


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Then the dinosaur ninjas attack?
Says the guy with the scenario where every casting agent in the world only hires white males...

Predictable...and ignorant lol

Why do you think Tyler Perry is so successful?

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Under the law covering BFOQs, that's exactly what it means. That's kind of the whole point of that legislation.


No, it means that you can't file suits/etc because it is upheld as being justified. Please tell me what definition of "discrimination" that you are using that doesn't support denying someone a job because of the color of their skin. What has happened is that society has recognized scenarios where the discrimination is accepted due to logic. At the end of the day, it's still discrimination.

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Erm... yes? Absolutely? Were you under the impression that "goth" was a protected status under anti-discrimination law?


No, but your claim was image.... yet, Abercromnie (not Gap) was sued for putting whites on floor sales positions. So where does it end? Those people were discriminating to increase sales as the white people fit the "image" of who they were targeting. Yet, if it were a model for something geared towards white people, then according to your source, it's ok. So then what's the difference between not hiring a person of a skin color in order to fit an image vs not hiring a person of a skin color in order to fit an image?

If you can't see that society has just accepted one over the other because it makes sense to cast a white person to act as a white person, then there really isn't anything else to say.
#963 Oct 26 2011 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
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Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?


I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.

So you think you could consciously will yourself into finding men attractive?
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#964 Oct 26 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?
I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.
So you think you could consciously will yourself into finding men attractive?
Refer to post 206 802 for the appropriate reply.
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#965 Oct 26 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?
I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.
So you think you could consciously will yourself into finding men attractive?
Refer to post 206 802 for the appropriate reply.

His response will make me Smiley: facepalm, I just know it.
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#966 Oct 26 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Default
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When trying to defend your capacity to be understood, the logical defense is not "acknowledge being awful at grammar and expressing a thought, then blame the entire english language, assert that proper grammar is not necessary, and then fault everyone else for not getting you."

But thanks for outing yourself as someone who'll frantically stab out in any direction to avoid admitting that you're the problem. Sure made my job easy.


I'm not making excuses or blaming the English language.

I'm man enough to admit my short falls, if you're too cowardly to do the same and instead try to put this all on me, then so be it.

I hate English grammar and I suck at it. Which one is the result of the other, I don't know. That is still no excuse for you not to understand a simple concept. This is an online gaming forum. There is a serious lack of grammar, even in your own post that I just quoted. That's no excuse for me to act like I don't know what you're talking about just because of your grammar errors.

You asked me a question and I answered it.

Side note, anyone who has studied various languages know that English is just a combination of various language words, which makes it more difficult to learn. Although all languages have other influences, the languages that I've studied seem to have a much easier grammar to learn.

#967 Oct 26 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't see why it matters what kind of trait sexuality is, or whether it's a choice or not.
#968 Oct 26 2011 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see why it matters what kind of trait sexuality is, or whether it's a choice or not.

It's not. There, I'm glad we cleared that up.
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#969 Oct 26 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
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When trying to defend your capacity to be understood, the logical defense is not "acknowledge being awful at grammar and expressing a thought, then blame the entire english language, assert that proper grammar is not necessary, and then fault everyone else for not getting you."

But thanks for outing yourself as someone who'll frantically stab out in any direction to avoid admitting that you're the problem. Sure made my job easy.


I'm not making excuses or blaming the English language.

I'm man enough to admit my short falls, if you're too cowardly to do the same and instead try to put this all on me, then so be it.

I hate English grammar and I suck at it. Which one is the result of the other, I don't know. That is still no excuse for you not to understand a simple concept. This is an online gaming forum. There is a serious lack of grammar, even in your own post that I just quoted. That's no excuse for me to act like I don't know what you're talking about just because of your grammar errors.

You asked me a question and I answered it.

Side note, anyone who has studied various languages know that English is just a combination of various language words, which makes it more difficult to learn. Although all languages have other influences, the languages that I've studied seem to have a much easier grammar to learn.


Is English your second language?
#970 Oct 26 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Default
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If your Soldiers are going to your OIC for everything, then you're failing as a first line supervisor.
Whatever excuse you need to make so you can sleep for being reactive instead of proactive.


Funny you say that as I'm coaching my E5 who just got barred from reenlistment because my E6 and E7 don't think he's "Army material". I haven't worked with him long enough to know if he's truly a dirt bag, but both NCOs and my predecessor have nothing good to say about him.

I can't talk as a life as an MP, but given my pos, BN S6, if you don't have time for yourself, you're doing it wrong. I see the same with other staff officers, maybe not so much with the S3 and XO, but everyone else, no reason.

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Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?


I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.

So you think you could consciously will yourself into finding men attractive?


First, my statement of thoughts and feelings not being physical traits do not mean that you can will yourself to "change teams".

Is it possible to consciously will yourself to find someone of the same or opposite sex attractive? Of course it is. There are testimonies of people doing so. Is it something that every person has the desire, will power or motivation to do, no.



Edited, Oct 26th 2011 9:36pm by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:
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Sexual attraction is an instinct. So, not a physical trait, then?


I would not classify any thoughts and/or emotions as physical traits.

So you think you could consciously will yourself into finding men attractive?


First, my statement of thoughts and feelings not being physical traits do not mean that you can will yourself to "change teams".

Is it possible to consciously will yourself to find someone of the same or opposite sex attractive? Of course it is. There are testimonies of people doing so. Is it something that every person has the desire, will power or motivation to do, no.



Edited, Oct 26th 2011 9:36pm by Almalieque

If you're talking about the people who claim to be "cured of homosexuality", then you're even more moronic than I originally thought.


Edited, Oct 26th 2011 3:48pm by Nilatai
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#973 Oct 26 2011 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see why it matters what kind of trait sexuality is, or whether it's a choice or not.

It's not. There, I'm glad we cleared that up.


I tend to agree with you, but even if it is, does it matter??

I submit that it does not.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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I don't see why it matters what kind of trait sexuality is, or whether it's a choice or not.

It's not. There, I'm glad we cleared that up.


I tend to agree with you, but even if it is, does it matter??

I submit that it does not.

Apparently making a concious choice would strip you of human rights. Or something?
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
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I don't see why it matters what kind of trait sexuality is, or whether it's a choice or not.

It's not. There, I'm glad we cleared that up.


I tend to agree with you, but even if it is, does it matter??

I submit that it does not.

Are you in the habit of posing questions to which you already know the answer?

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False. It is ruled as logical discrimination

So a meaningless term. Got it.

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Why do you think Tyler Perry is so successful?

By all means, you tell me so I can get a good laugh.

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Please tell me what definition of "discrimination" that you are using that doesn't support denying someone a job because of the color of their skin.

The legal one which contains the bit about BFOQs you so wish to pretend doesn't exist?

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No, but your claim was image

Way to take the shallow approach. My claim was in regards to a select industry which is covered through the BFOQ rules. You came up with retail because... well, I have no idea, really. I guess because you're getting desperate.

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If you can't see that society has just accepted one over the other because it makes sense to cast a white person to act as a white person, then there really isn't anything else to say.

The problem here is with your lack of understanding regarding discrimination law and shifting definitions to try to meet a pre-decided point. But if you're saying you give up, that's fine as well. Have fun getting your doodle looked at by teh gayz. Smiley: smile
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