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I think so, but your internal thoughts are your own. I think it's a bit silly, but perfectly ok, that you're creeped out by gay men. However, as an employee of the US Government it isn't ok for you to discriminate due to sexual orientation while on the job. Off the job? Hit a Klan rally if you feel like it, just make sure your sheet is "solid" enough that they don't notice the color of your skin.



No, but I'd like you to name one that's enforced on any sort of regular basis since you seem to think there are. "Blue Laws" do not count, since they are rarely enforced.



How? Sexual orientation has never & will never be a factor in deciding that girls shower with girls & boys shower with boys. Sex/Gender are not sexual orientations. This makes perfect sense. How does it support your argument? What is your argument, for that matter?



Agreed.



I wasn't talking about SSM, we are talking about DADT. But in regards to SSM, I'll grant you that opposite sex marriages were assumed when marriage laws were first written, but since then the US Government has progressed to the point where they've made it illegal to discriminate based upon sexual orientation. Ipso-Facto, not allowing one group (Gays) while allowing another group (straights) to take part in Government sanctioned benefits is the very definition of discrimination.




I can read fine, you simply can't communicate effectively via the written word. It's ok, some people are just better at it than others. What I'd like you to do, using complete sentences, is write what YOU (no hypothetcals) believe are 3 logical reasons DADT shouldn't have be repealed. I'd like you to start this response, for clarity's sake, with, "I, Alma, believe it is logical to repeal DADT because..."

Bonus points if you bullet point the 3 logical reasons you believe DADT should not have been repealed.



No, I wouldn't. Could you please link to any evidence at all that straights are pretending to be gay for the benifits in the military? Can you link to any evidence that this is happening in States where SSM is legal?



See what I mean about you not being clear? What does THAT attempt at a diss even fucking mean? What am I even ignorant of (Besides anatomy when I draw using MsPaint)?

This is WHAT YOU SAID:



So far, in all of the plethora of craptastic posts you've made on any and all subjects that are "gay", the above quote is the closest I've ever seen you come for giving a reason as to why YOU think DADT shouldn't have been repealed. Applying that analogy to yourself, once again, YOU would logically be the girls in the locker room & GAYS would logically be male janitors dressed as girls.

And you would be creeped out by finding out your fellow soldier, was gay.

There's nothing wrong with that; but it isn't a logical or legal reason to make your fellow soldier HAVE to hide their identity from you. The choice should have ALWAYS been theirs & now it is.

Alma took this argument to the stupid place, and Omega's going right in there after him.

Does that mean I don't have to strip to fly on a plane anymore?

Well look who's singing a different tune about this repeal now!

So are those acceptable reasons for a heterosexual not want to shower with a homosexual? If not, then why?

You already did, hence your reply. I didn't give you an argument, I asked a question. There is no need for me to "trick" you into answering the question because I already know the answer. The simple fact that you wont answer it, only proves ensures the answer. Else, if you thought it contradicted my point, you would have answered it in attempt to counter. Instead, you're merely playing around for your own enjoyment.



How so?

What you have done was avoid self-contradiction. There was no "stupid question" involved. The fact that you've been "rolling around" the question and admitted to it is evident that you're not taking this seriously nor are concerned about time. Given that, you can't use the "waste of time/ irrelevant" argument on answering that question, because everything you've been saying has been a "waste of time" and "irrelevant" to the argument.

The only thing left is that you're avoiding self-contradiction by making fun out of the situation as opposed to just addressing it. At least you recognize it, because I can play cat and mouse like this all day (if time permits). It's much better than arguing with people who pretend statements aren't there or understandable. I would much rather play your game.




Depending on the person, it is. Nice to pretend or believe that it isn't.

Anyways, that wasn't even my point. My point was that there are other forms of discrimination outside of sexuality in a whole that people accept, i.e. women not serving in the Infantry or Armor. I'm not saying it's "right", but various forms of discrimination is blatant in the US military forces and none of that seems to matter, only for people to be open about being ****.

So by only making a big deal when it affects homosexuals, you are indeed pretending that they are special because everyone else is expected to "suck it up". The point wasn't that any other form of discrimination is the SAME as the discrimination towards homosexuals (as you attempted to prove) but that other forms of discriminatio exist.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 5:28pm by Almalieque

Your memory is pretty bad Alma.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 5:53pm by Aethien

If someone can get this point through his thick skull, I will send them $10.00*

Seriously.


*I'm poor.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 12:42pm by Eske

He's the Full Idiot Alchemist.

I, Alma, believe it is logical to repeal DADT because...read my other posts?

You give various situations & fall back on your shower defense. You say "Oh, men will marry men for the money!"

Neither of these are reasons why you, Alma, believe DADT shouldn't be repealed. You've said so yourself: you don't use common showers. Why do you care if two men want to milk the system? You can't possibly oppose SSM & DADT repeal as much as you do without a "Horse in the race": There is an underlying reason in this somewhere.

In all of your gibberish, the "creeped out if gay dude's look at my junk" is the only time I've seen you communicate YOUR feelings on gays. You dance around a lot, but you're not communicating what it is about gays being married or being open in the military that effects you.

Let's do this madlibs style:

"I Alma, believe DADT shouldn't have been repealed because________________________________________
I feel this way because___________________________________________________________________________
The repeal of DADT effects me negatively because__________________________________________________
(You can use this space to ramble, but please try to limit this to one paragraph. Focus!)________
In conclusion, it was illogical to repeal DADT because____________________________________________"

You still haven't explained what I'm ignorant of, but I'd rather you just focus on the mad lib.