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#1377 Nov 30 2011 at 1:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Really, the most important thing to remember here is that the enemy's gate is down.
#1378 Nov 30 2011 at 5:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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While its possible that you've done this, you have also defended Varus' stance and made it quite clear that while his reasoning is wrong, its important that he got the "right" answer.


What does "stance" mean in that sentence though? I'm talking about the conclusion, not the argument. And every single time I've done this, I've said that while his argument was wrong, his conclusion is right because <insert different/better argument>".
Yes, by stance, I mean conclusion. and yes, you've done exactly as you've stated here, however, at times, you've gone so far as state that it was important that he got the right answer, not how he got to it.

Look, I'm not going to go through the bother to look for exact examples, and you clearly don't want to accept that you've done this in the past, so I'm done with this, because at this point, this is going no where.
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#1379 Nov 30 2011 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Really, the most important thing to remember here is that the enemy's gate is down.

It's time to get eight boys to put their balls in Alma's hole?
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#1380 Nov 30 2011 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Really, the most important thing to remember here is that the enemy's gate is down.

It's time to get eight boys to put their balls in Alma's hole?
It's always time for that.
#1381 Nov 30 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
I skipped all of page 27 and I'm so glad I didn't miss anything.
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I skipped all 27 pages and I'm so glad I didn't miss anything.

more like this.
#1383 Nov 30 2011 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
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Please explain the difference. How is it ok to judge someone based on their sexual behavior but not someone else?

Easy, homosexuals are consenting adults. Next question.



Personally I don't think prostitution should be illegal. It should be legalised, regulated (with mandatory health checks etcetera) and taxed.


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No one's arguing that it should be illegal to be homosexual either. He's talking about personal judgment, not legality. If I were to say that skat-play is disgusting, no one would call me a bigot. But if I were to say that homosexual sex is disgusting, many would. Pretty arbitrarily subjective, isn't it?


Exactly.
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Homosexual buttsex is disgusting. You know why I'm not going to get called a bigot for that statement though? Because while I think it's icky and gross, I don't believe they should have any opportunities taken from them because of it.

By the way, you completely missed Nilati's point Alma.
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#1385 Nov 30 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Default
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Homosexual buttsex is disgusting. You know why I'm not going to get called a bigot for that statement though? Because while I think it's icky and gross, I don't believe they should have any opportunities taken from them because of it.

By the way, you completely missed Nilati's point Alma.


How so? I was sure it was the opposite.
#1386 Nov 30 2011 at 6:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
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Please explain the difference. How is it ok to judge someone based on their sexual behavior but not someone else?

Easy, homosexuals are consenting adults. Next question.


No one's arguing that it should be illegal to be homosexual either. He's talking about personal judgment, not legality. If I were to say that skat-play is disgusting, no one would call me a bigot. But if I were to say that homosexual sex is disgusting, many would. Pretty arbitrarily subjective, isn't it?


I don't think so. I'm not talking about whether you find homosexual sex disgusting or not. I'm talking about condoning homosexuality. It's not the same thing.

Did I make this post just to show off my new avatar? Maybe.

Edited, Nov 30th 2011 7:05pm by Eske
#1387 Dec 01 2011 at 12:53 AM Rating: Default
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either that one dude has a small stick or the other dude has a giant *****. Then again they could be the same size.
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#1388 Dec 01 2011 at 1:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Those are two different issues. Being comfortable working with a homosexual IS NOT the same as DADT. A poll on whether you are comfortable with homosexuals, only supports that. It has nothing to do with DADT. So, why would you repeal DADT on an irrelevant poll?


Because the poll made the justification FOR DADT irrelevant Smiley: schooled.
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#1389Almalieque, Posted: Dec 01 2011 at 6:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know what would do that? A poll over the "justification" for DADT. Amazing how that works. That poll wasn't the deciding factor for DADT, it was used as supporting documents. It made it appear that service members supported the repeal when in reality they didn't, they just weren't bigots.
#1390 Dec 01 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Come on Alma, the whole idea of not telling that you happen be gay because it might make others uncomfortable is dishonest and inherently based on ignorance.

Fact - gaydom has no impact on any soldiers ability to do their job.

That's really as far as it goes. You might claim that someone can't properly do their job knowing they're going to have to shower with a gay man, But that's an individual problem and certainly not the kind of thing to be making national policy over.

Give it up already. Gays are openly in the military.

You could do something constructive and maybe start a support group for enlisted homophobes to help acclimate them to a lifestyle that's not based on lies.





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#1391 Dec 01 2011 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could do something constructive and maybe start a support group for enlisted homophobes to help acclimate them to a lifestyle that's not based on lies.


I think he should do something constructive and off himself.
#1392 Dec 01 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been more than two months. Still no collapse of the civilized world.
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#1393 Dec 01 2011 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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and I was convinced by post 206 that the world would indeed fall into ruin.
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#1395 Dec 01 2011 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been more than two months. Still no collapse of the civilized world.

I think now Alma's pissed because no gays have tried to look at his junk.
#1396 Dec 01 2011 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been more than two months. Still no collapse of the civilized world.
Of course not, the civilized world has been allowing homosexuals to serve for almost 2 decades now.
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#1397 Dec 01 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been much longer than that, but shh. Apparently it's a deep guarded secret.
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#1398 Dec 01 2011 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
I know this is completely uncool, but I do think I actually understand Alma's position. He's an all or nothing guy. He feels that this one change is silly given all of the other unfair rules in the military.

This is a guy who compares being able to be open with your homosexuality to being able to grow a beard.

Do I honestly think he's a homophobe? No. I don't. I think he's uncomfortable around homosexual men. Maybe because he's afraid they'll hit on him and he's in the position where he has to explain that he's not gay. Sort of the same way you'd be uncomfortable around an ugly member of the sex you're attracted to, and you're worried they'll come on to you and you'd have to shoot them down without insulting them.

Mostly Alma is just selfish. He doesn't see how this change helps him, and he can see how other changes would help him, so he's pissed that there's support for this but not for his "grow a beard in the military" petition.

Anyway, that's my take on this hugely long thread.
#1399 Dec 01 2011 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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When it comes to homosexuality, I've yet to see a rational reason to not condone it. Whether people argue against it using the Bible, or using flawed "scientific" rationale (as you yourself have done in the past), they're not using a rational argument. They may believe that their opinion is based upon logic, that it isn't motivated by emotions like hate or the like. In some cases, it may very well not be an issue of hate or fear...I really can't say. But what's important is that it is wrong; that it is based on something that is irrational, unscientific, subjective, or fallacious. That is certainly the case with you. On many levels.

You're allowed that flawed rationale, obviously. But it should be fairly self-evident that many people act on it, sowing hatred, or acting to restrict the rights of others, or otherwise doing harm. And that's why it's particularly important to fight against those opinions, regardless of whether or not it's about hatred or fear or anything else. Because they are objectively irrational. Irrationality doesn't do us any good, understanding and acceptance does.


You've blinded yourself by your cause.

What you have done was rationalized and accepted "irrational" thoughts. A woman who whores herself out is not viewed the same way as a woman that is not. If you gave a person a choice to either hug A) the local street walker hooker or B) Ms. Wilson the English teacher, I would bet that most people would choose B and not touch A with a 10 foot pole.

Why does anyone care who she sleeps with? For all we know, Ms. Wilson could be a bigger ***** than the local street walker. Do you start calling people a "*****-a-phobe"? So, why do people choose B? They choose B because of the "what you don't know, wont hurt you" philosophy. That's exactly why DADT is still effective even though there exist homosexuals already in the military.

Ms. Wilson can be the praise of the school, but the second word gets out that's she's a sexual freak, then her job is in jeopardy.

There is no difference. Society has ALWAYS had laws and views when it comes to sex.
But, what if you discovered Ms. Wilson was gay? You might not want to hug her, but she wouldn't and couldn't get fired.
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#1400 Dec 01 2011 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can't we all just stop giving a rats *** what one narrow minded @#%^ slap's opinion is? I mean, yar, post whoring is fun but this is like poking a child with down syndrome in the eye with a stick while keeping a rubber ducky out of his reach at this point.

Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?



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#1401 Dec 01 2011 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
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Homosexual buttsex is disgusting. You know why I'm not going to get called a bigot for that statement though? Because while I think it's icky and gross, I don't believe they should have any opportunities taken from them because of it.

By the way, you completely missed Nilatai's point Alma.


How so? I was sure it was the opposite.

You asked why it was okay to condemn one action and not the other. I answered that homosexuals are consenting adults.

Children do not have the same decision making skills as adults, thus they're deemed unable to make major life decisions for themselves. At what age a minor is sufficiently able to make the decision to engage in sexual activity varies with country, most seem to agree it's around 16-18, though. So it is illegal to avoid abuse of young people. It is also for this reason (because it can be seen as abuse), that it is looked down upon.


You look down upon homosexuality because...you think it's icky. Or something.


That's the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. I really do hope you understand. Otherwise you should probably be put down or something.
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