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Ah, to be so blissfully naive and ignorant.

Come back after your Ritalin.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 4:08pm by Jophiel

So everyone who came out this week was made gay by the military?

My overall theory, that extends beyond this topic, is that people as individuals become subject matter experts in a few areas. As a collective group on various topics, we become ignorant. We simply accept what others say and believe without going into much depth.

I blame this on the fact that there aren't enough hours in the day to become subject matter experts in everything. This is especially true for those who have families to take care of. If the news say that eggs are good for you, a noticeable percentage of people will just accept that as a fact without actually doing the same extensive work to prove it one way or the other.

When people on this forum defended,supported and/or was indifferent to the spillage of U.S. classified material, the overall lack of understanding of how the U.S. military operates became blatantly obvious.

Relevant to this case, when you sign up to become a service member of the U.S military, you forfeit many of your "rights". That is part of the foundation of the U.S. military which is part of the "success" of the U.S. Military. Cherry picking certain "rights" due to current popularity only breaks that foundation.

If you want to reorganize the military and it's rules, fine, but do so by looking at the whole "big" picture. Changing some rules, while not addressing other affected and/or related/similar policies breaks down the core of the military. This goes beyond "sexuality". For example, allowing people of certain religions to not shave, while forcing others to shave and not recognizing other religions that may have similar shaving rules.

For the most part, I don't support discrimination of sexuality when hiring job positions, but the military isn't a typical job. Other jobs do not force you to live, sleep and shower with someone. No matter how much people want to deny it, it's the same exact reason why men and women don't share close quarters.

People don't understand how the military operates and then make false comparisons to discrimination of skin color and sex. As discussed numerous times in the past, simply discriminating isn't the problem, it's the wrongful discrimination without justification. That's why the military STILL discriminates against women and not discriminate by regulation on skin color.

I'm personally not affected by this ruling, but it's just another negative chip at the military which will eventually be part of a bigger chip until people start focusing on the "big picture".

100x more words is subjective to you bias. You already know the length, so it doesn't make sense to provoke a conversation and complain about it. If you don't like it, then stay away from it.

hey you have a choice to shower or not. (and for that matter you have a choice to serve in the military or not. If you don't like bunking with a ***, then quit.)

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 7:41pm by rdmcandie

Nope. Take it or leave it.

Third definition of evangelical is "zealous in advocating something."

And let's be fair. If those using that term really just mean that someone was zealous about their cause, they'd apply it to liberals as frequently as they do to conservatives. The clear use by liberal pundits is intended to draw on an assumed religious connotation that is specifically related to the more fundamentalist protestant evangelical sets of beliefs and not a general zeal for a cause.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 5:51pm by gbaji

I eagerly await the day that Maddow will refer to Obama as an evangelical. Until then, I'll stick to my assumptions about how the left uses the term.

Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step to recovery Joph. You can do it!

We allow people to serve in the military, regardless of sexual orientation, because there is no justification to discriminate against them.

I'll admit, people like you are a prime argument against evolution.