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#1 Sep 20 2011 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I like it when the AP tells the liberals they're full of sh:t.

In other news, I was heartened when the comments section of the local liberal paper showed a significantly higher volume of "f'uck 'em" comments to the story about the President's tax plan than I normally would have expected. The overwhelming sentiment was that if we're going to advocate for a fair share being paid, the 46% of Americans who pay no federal income tax should pony the f'uck up.

People are waking up to the fact that there are a whole lot of people in this country getting a free ride.

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#2 Sep 20 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm all for paying my 'fair share' if/when something gets passed. It feels kind of silly to get so much back from the government. Not sure how that meshes with that 'no higher taxes' pledge though.

In the meantime yay for the child tax credit I guess. Smiley: rolleyes
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#3 Sep 20 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default
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Everyone who hasn't had their head stuck in the liberal punch bowl has known that the whole Buffet thing was BS from the start. I do find it amusing, that even in the midst of this sort of piece, apparently neither the writer nor the Secretary of the Treasury can accurately distinguish between "income" and "earnings" in a context where it's very important to make said distinction. Which is interesting given that the writer actually writes about the difference in the article, but then still uses the wrong word anyway.

Geithner, on the other hand, is just a tool.
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#4 Sep 20 2011 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
Moe wrote:
The overwhelming sentiment was that if we're going to advocate for a fair share being paid, the 46% of Americans who pay no federal income tax should pony the f'uck up.


Agreed.

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In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service.
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#5 Sep 20 2011 at 11:07 PM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Moe wrote:
The overwhelming sentiment was that if we're going to advocate for a fair share being paid, the 46% of Americans who pay no federal income tax should pony the f'uck up.


Agreed.

Article wrote:

In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service.

Cherry pick much?
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But that's less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.

Taxing those 1500 millionaires only gets us $2,000,000,000 a year.

If 46% of American households will pay no federal income tax, that's nearly 53,000,000 households. If those households average $20,000/yr., that's $30,000,000,000 in extra revenue a year (using the numbers from the article).
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#6 Sep 21 2011 at 2:35 AM Rating: Default
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Cheesy 90's tunes for 400, Alex:
Bob Dylan didn't have this to sing about, you know it feels good to be alive.


It's so true. You see people paying for food with the Lonestar card and getting better food than you. They get free housing, free bus rides, free medical, child care. Their children go to school for free and get clothing free. The list goes on. I remember when I was laid off and spending all that time searching for another job and when my unemployment ran out could I get anything? **** no!
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#7 Sep 21 2011 at 3:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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If 46% of American households will pay no federal income tax, that's nearly 53,000,000 households. If those households average $20,000/yr., that's $30,000,000,000 in extra revenue a year (using the numbers from the article).


Cool. I'll agree to let you make the "poor" pay an income tax, which would require the elimination of the deductions they apply in order to lower what they owe to the point that they do not pay an income tax, if you agree to eliminate the deductions the "rich" use to not pay their full share of income taxes.

Oh, & at the same time, since many of the rich don't make their money via paychecks; increase the rate of capital gains taxes, investments, et. al, on those that don't receive a pay check & take out social security & medicare taxes too from those revenues too.

Deal?

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"People who are doing quite well and worry about low-income people not paying any taxes bemoan the fact that they get so many tax breaks that they are zeroed out," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "People at the bottom of the distribution say, 'But all of those rich guys are getting bigger tax breaks than we're getting,' which is also the case."
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#8 Sep 21 2011 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Oh, & at the same time, since many of the rich don't make their money via paychecks; increase the rate of capital gains taxes, investments, et. al, on those that don't receive a pay check & take out social security & medicare taxes too from those revenues too.

Deal?

It's not class warfare, it's math, right?
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#9 Sep 21 2011 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:


If 46% of American households will pay no federal income tax, that's nearly 53,000,000 households. If those households average $20,000/yr., that's $30,000,000,000 in extra revenue a year (using the numbers from the article).

Haha, we'll feed them, shelter them, exploit their paltry condition with low paying jobs and high-priced addictions, and then turn around and demand payment in the form of income tax?

More folks than ever are falling short of the lowest income tax bracket, and your solution is to what...lower the bracket?





Edited, Sep 21st 2011 3:01pm by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
Haha, we'll feed them, shelter them, exploit their paltry condition with low paying jobs and high-priced addictions, and then turn around and demand payment in the form of income tax?
You know who you're talking to right? Are you actually trying to reach the compassionate* side of Moe?



* compassionate is not the right word here, but I think it gets the point across.
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#11 Sep 21 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's not class warfare, it's math, right?

When the only tool you have is rhetoric, every problem looks like "class warfare".

"Dismantle Medicare! Slash Medicaid! Privatize Social Security! Ban Planned Parenthood! Stop those leeching public kindergarten teachers!"
"End some Bush-era tax cuts?"
"OMG CLASS WARFARE!!!!"
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#12 Sep 21 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Haha, we'll feed them, shelter them, exploit their paltry condition with low paying jobs and high-priced addictions, and then turn around and demand payment in the form of income tax?
You know who you're talking to right? Are you actually trying to reach the compassionate* side of Moe?



* compassionate is not the right word here, but I think it gets the point across.

Compassion has nothing to do with it. There's a point where the natives get restless.
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#13 Sep 21 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Compassion has nothing to do with it. There's a point where the natives get restless.
That's what boot heels are for.
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#14 Sep 21 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's not class warfare, it's math, right?


You're the one that wants everyone to pay income taxes. I thought you meant EVERYONE. If you only meant the POOR, well, then I suppose it is.
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#16 Sep 21 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
It's not class warfare, it's math, right?

When the only tool you have is rhetoric, every problem looks like "class warfare".

"Dismantle Medicare! Slash Medicaid! Privatize Social Security! Ban Planned Parenthood! Stop those leeching public kindergarten teachers!"
"End some Obama-era tax cuts?"
"OMG CLASS WARFARE!!!!"

FTFY
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#17varusword75, Posted: Sep 21 2011 at 7:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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FTFY

If that was true, the GOP would be screaming about how they're PURE SOCIALISM!! and a GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER!!

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 8:51am by Jophiel
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#19 Sep 21 2011 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Haha, we'll feed them, shelter them, exploit their paltry condition with low paying jobs and high-priced addictions, and then turn around and demand payment in the form of income tax?

More folks than ever are falling short of the lowest income tax bracket, and your solution is to what...lower the bracket?

You'd prefer that they pay for that second TV, or maybe the new XBox and a cell phone with the cash they have left over after we buy their food, pay their rent and provide them with health care? Thanks, but if I'm paying the freight, they're going to have to chip in.
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Compassion has nothing to do with it. There's a point where the natives get restless.

Hey, when she's right, she's right. The natives who are footing the bill are getting restless as ****. The end is near for the welfare state in America as we know it.
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You're the one that wants everyone to pay income taxes. I thought you meant EVERYONE. If you only meant the POOR, well, then I suppose it is.

I do mean everyone. I also think if you have to declare all capital gains and pay taxes on them you should be able to deduct all capital losses (the cap is around $3,000 at the moment). Capital Gains are the return on the investment that makes the economy possible. Encouraging it is paramount in my opinion. The poor have the same opportunity to invest as the rich, they simply choose to spend their disposable income on other things (as evidenced by recently published data on the ammenaties the "poor" provide themselves with). Coupled with the fact that Capital Gains are after tax dollars anyway, it silly to suggest raising the rates there.
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#20 Sep 21 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
It's not class warfare, it's math, right?

When the only tool you have is rhetoric, every problem looks like "class warfare".

Just because it's the one most frequently applied doesn't mean it's the only one in the box. It is the most appropriate response to stupidity, and there's a f'uck ton of that around here.
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Turns out that even Palin is within the margin of error were she to run against old barry.

Provided your poll has a 15 point margin of error, sure.
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Just because it's the one most frequently applied doesn't mean it's the only one in the box. It is the most appropriate response to stupidity, and there's a f'uck ton of that around here.

I'm trying to find the correct rhetoric for my response.
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#23 Sep 21 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Just because it's the one most frequently applied doesn't mean it's the only one in the box. It is the most appropriate response to stupidity, and there's a f'uck ton of that around here.

I'm trying to find the correct rhetoric for my response.

I'm sure you'll figure something out. "herpderp" would be par for the course.
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"herpderp" would be par for the course.

Kao's a-gonna ban you when he finds out you're another Proof-sock.
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The end is near for the welfare state in America as we know it.
I'd be ok with that.
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#26 Sep 21 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
"herpderp" would be par for the course.

Kao's a-gonna ban you when he finds out you're another Proof-sock.

Wouldn't be the first time.
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