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#1 Sep 19 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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Ron Paul has done it again. Paul has won the CA straw poll with a landslide victory in CA. This quote is taken directly from CNN.

"Paul won with 44.9% of the votes, Texas Gov. Rick Perry came in second with 29.3% of the votes, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in third with 8.8% of the votes."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-17/politics/california.straw.poll_1_straw-poll-ron-paul-votes?_s=PM:POLITICS

It's no surprise that Americans are finally waking up and tired of the lies. One of the largest reasons why people are waking up is the facts support Paul's stance. America became great because of our freedom and the Constitution, not the overabundance of government regulation. It's no surprise that the military supports Ron Paul more than any other candidate. Those of in the military know how war works and how the public is mislead. It's truly sad how many people only have FOX, MSNBC, and CNN to rely on for news coverage. Regardless of your views or politics, we've been on this slippery slope for years. On the verge of financial meltdown for America, a 30 year Congressional veteran of the Constitution stands up for us in the last ditch effort to save this country from destruction. I've included Ron Paul's video taken at the straw poll for your own viewing.





Edited, Sep 19th 2011 1:40pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#2 Sep 19 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd love to see Ron Paul as the GOP candidate.
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#3 Sep 19 2011 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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This just in: Straw polls still don't matter.
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Same crazy nut, different tree.
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#7 Sep 19 2011 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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USA Today/Gallup Poll wrote:
The survey, taken Thursday through Sunday, charts a GOP field that seems headed toward a showdown between Perry, with 31% backing, and Romney, at 24%.
The only other candidate scoring in double digits is Texas Rep. Ron Paul, at 13%. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, who seized GOP interest when she entered the race, has seen her support plummet to 5%. That puts her in a tie with former House speaker Newt Gingrich and businessman Herman Cain.


Personally I like Ron Paul, but his platform hardly appeals to the average Republican.
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#8 Sep 19 2011 at 1:24 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
This just in: Straw polls still don't matter.


Maybe, I found some interesting numbers though. Ronald Regan and G.W. Bush won the CPAC straw poll and became president so far. Jack Kemp, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul won the rest(more than once) for the most part.

Both presidents Reagan and Bush were 2 term presidents too. So I wouldn't write it off completely. :)
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I think you're missing the point: straw polls aren't an indicator either way.
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#10 Sep 19 2011 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Besides, G.Dub lost the first election.
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Maybe, I found some interesting numbers though. Ronald Regan and G.W. Bush won the CPAC straw poll and became president so far.

Were they trailing by 10-20 points in the polls at the time?
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Personally I like Ron Paul, but his platform hardly appeals to the average Republican.


What do you like about him, just curious?

As for my reasons, I like how he tells it like it is. Topics he talked about in the 2008 election have come to light now. Paul believes in freedom over government control which is the way this country is supposed to run. It would take me all day to list all the other reasons. I think the other main reason I like Ron Paul is because he's the only politician that isn't a liar or flip flopper. Agree or disagree, he won't flip flop his views to compromise his integrity like Obama and all the rest.
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I think the other main reason I like Ron Paul is because he's the only politician that isn't a liar or flip flopper. Agree or disagree, he won't flip flop his views to compromise his integrity like Obama and all the rest.
Unfortunate that one of his greatest attributes, to you, could be one of his biggest downfalls in ever accomplishing anything politically.
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Jophiel wrote:

Were they trailing by 10-20 points in the polls at the time?


I don't know, possibly. I do know that Ronald Reagan was a long shot and wasn't expected to win at all. He was laughed at by many of the GOP and he became the model of the GOP ticket now. Not only that, Ron Paul was one of the 4 GOP who supported Reagan prior to him becoming a household GOP brand. In a lot of ways, Ron Paul is an underdog like Reagan.
#15ShadowedgeFFXI, Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 1:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree that most politicians are quick to compromise selling themselves out. It's not simply a matter of compromising on the issue so it doesn't hurt the people. People that don't support Ron Paul because he doesn't like Fema and other agencies do so because of the spin. It's not that Paul is against helping people, it's that he's against federal programs that cost a fortune and do very little because of how they're regulated. It's like if I gave you 1.00 for a charity and only 10cents made it to the charity because of overhead. That's Ron Paul's problem in a nutshell with these federal org.
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So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?
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Debalic wrote:
So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?


I should been more clear. Ron Paul will compromise on issues, but not on principle. For example, he said he would vote for money to be pumped into FEMA(help with Irene) if it were diverted from the defense budget. I think that the DEM would vote for a lot of Paul's bills because it seems the left likes him more than his own party. Again, this is all speculation, but judging by most left winged shows and views I hear, I think they would support Paul at least more than Romney or Perry.

The problem with politics is the lobbyists control things. Obama and many others have said this statement. So the American people will have to rally behind Paul if he's to push though the money donated by these lobbyists who control their politicians like puppets.

Good question though.
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Debalic wrote:
So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?


So basically Obama?
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Elinda wrote:


Personally I like Ron Paul, but his platform hardly appeals to the average Republican.


What do you like about him, just curious?

As for my reasons, I like how he tells it like it is. Topics he talked about in the 2008 election have come to light now. Paul believes in freedom over government control which is the way this country is supposed to run. It would take me all day to list all the other reasons. I think the other main reason I like Ron Paul is because he's the only politician that isn't a liar or flip flopper. Agree or disagree, he won't flip flop his views to compromise his integrity like Obama and all the rest.

I like him. Like you said, he's honest. I don't really agree so much with his politics. I think there are too many people in this country for the government to simply turn it's back on governing.

Oh and platforms are for hanging onto. When it comes time to actually make legislation calling compromising 'flip-flopping' is bullcrap.
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Debalic wrote:
So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?
So basically Obama?

So you've been crying about nothing for the last couple years? Smiley: laugh
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Debalic wrote:
So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?


I should been more clear. Ron Paul will compromise on issues, but not on principle.

But you just accused Obama of flip-flopping because he was forced to compromise on issues.

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#22ShadowedgeFFXI, Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 2:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Obama in my opinion has not held true to his campaign promises. By most accounts, he didn't even try to do so. If he had more bills that tried to pass and failed, then the blame could be on those that failed to pass. Obama's poll numbers aren't low for nothing. Obama wasn't really compromising though. He basically gave up giving the GOP everything they want out of the deals. The debt ceiling deal got the GOP 96% of what they wanted and the left got basically zilch. They couldn't even get taxes for the rich on the list.
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I liked the offshore drilling compromise at the time.

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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
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But you just accused Obama of flip-flopping because he was forced to compromise on issues.




Obama in my opinion has not held true to his campaign promises. By most accounts, he didn't even try to do so. If he had more bills that tried to pass and failed, then the blame could be on those that failed to pass. Obama's poll numbers aren't low for nothing. Obama wasn't really compromising though. He basically gave up giving the GOP everything they want out of the deals. The debt ceiling deal got the GOP 96% of what they wanted and the left got basically zilch. They couldn't even get taxes for the rich on the list.

So the difference of a theoretical President Paul compromising and the actual President Obama compromising in an attempt to pass legislation is simply a matter of degree?

Obama compromised too much?

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Jophiel wrote:
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So if somehow he did get elected but nobody in Congress wanted to pass his bills, you'd be okay with him getting nothing done as long as he clung desperately to his ideals?
So basically Obama?

So you've been crying about nothing for the last couple years? Smiley: laugh


Nope. Just found amusing similarities between Obama's speech today in which he basically said "I'll veto any bill that doesn't have what I want in it" and Debalic's portrayal of what Ron Paul would do if/when Congress isn't willing to pass his bills. Same thing, right?
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Just found amusing similarities between Obama's speech today in which he basically said "I'll veto any bill that doesn't have what I want in it" and Debalic's portrayal of what Ron Paul would do if/when Congress isn't willing to pass his bills. Same thing, right?

Ah, ok. Boy, that Boehner was a big silly-head when he said tax increases were definitely out of the picture, huh? Hahahaha... umm... yeah.
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