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#27 Sep 14 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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This particular story wasn't covered much on the "mainstream news" although I did find a few clips on FOX about it.
I've never understood people saying this. FOX News is the most popular cable news network in America. It's the definition of "mainstream news."
They have The Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad make fun of Fox and conservatives, which means they're unbiased. You don't see CNN or MSNBC making cartoons mocking them, do you?
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You fall for the conspiracy, too? Smiley: facepalm

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#29 Sep 14 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I can say this: Let's assume for the sake of argument that this guy was just peacefully and legally waving his sign and saying his words and some cop decided to cuff him and take him in.

Sure, the cop shouldn't do that. Ok, now what? The guy gets a court hearing, right? The guy can appeal to one of the organizations that make free speech their bread & butter. It's not as though he's lacking in options and he wouldn't be the first or last person wrongly arrested. That's why we have a justice system that goes beyond "throw 'im in the hole".

So what's supposed to be the take away from the OP? Righteous outrage just 'cause?


Pretty much this. I agree that any peaceful protest absolutely shouldn't have gotten him arrested. But that's an issue with the cop who arrested him, one would assume. Courts don't follow cops around town, to tell them if they are violating someone's rights or not.

If he goes to court and is found guilty for some stupid charge, solely so as to try and discipline him for doing something within his rights, then I would be ****** off about it. Right now, I don't care that much. ESPECIALLY since I know nothing about the case.

And, quite frankly, we have many, many more horrible violations of rights in arrests everyday. This guy was arrested at the memorial site? Yeah, go fifteen blocks to the east and notice the black guy getting arrested for little reason other than the fact that he's a black guy.
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#30 Sep 14 2011 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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This guy wasn't attacking people, only saying 9/11 was an inside job.


As Joph said, if this is actually the case, then he's got plenty of legal avenues to pursue. I'm just pretty skeptical that this is *all* he was doing.

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As for your analysis, you're over thinking things. The police don't all have to be on the conspiracy. How do you know they aren't there to deal with troublemakers like this guy.


Because (and I'm going out on a limb here since I haven't seen the video), the whole point of this is to claim some kind of targeted persecution of this particular guy because of what he was saying. If the police were treating everyone who was simply expressing their free speech the same, then the story isn't really about keeping the truth about 9/11 from being heard, is it?

Again, I'm going out on a limb, but I'm betting that's why you care about this story, right? If this guy had been waving a sign about abortion, or darfour, or freeing Nelson Mandela, or bringing back Menudo, you wouldn't care or even have noticed. It's not a conspiracy theory if it doesn't include persecution of your own specific pet theory about something. Thus, your whole argument rests on the assumption that the police did single him out for what he was saying, and not how he was saying it.

It's not a story otherwise, right? Where's the follow up showing hundreds of other people also arrested for speaking out about their various causes as well?

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It's not irrelevant to you though, is it?
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#31 Sep 14 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Are we discounting the possibility that he was actually taken into protective custody to keep him from being curb stomped?
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Here is another video that has audio for this video.





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Are we discounting the possibility that he was actually taken into protective custody to keep him from being curb stomped?


Ugh seriously. I would have; rather get sued later by the guy then have some bomber go undetected while I'm trying to keep granny from tearing him a new one.
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#34ShadowedgeFFXI, Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 3:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Obviously this isn't a huge problem yet. It occasionally happens and when it does it's important that we can stand up for our rights so it doesn't happen again. The police are always making mistakes like this. I don't have a clue why you haven't realize that little fact.
#35 Sep 14 2011 at 3:14 PM Rating: Excellent
Sure, and he has avenues to stand up for his rights, so I'm not going to waste my time getting all outraged at an isolated incident.
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#36 Sep 14 2011 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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The police are always making mistakes like this. I don't have a clue why you haven't realize that little fact.

The realization of this fact is the principle reason why no one else is going ape over this singular event. Cops are humans; they make errors or else can be actively malicious. We try to have a system that allows recourse when this happens.
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#37 Sep 14 2011 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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The police are always making mistakes like this. I don't have a clue why you haven't realize that little fact.

The realization of this fact is the principle reason why no one else is going ape over this singular event. Cops are humans; they make errors or else can be actively malicious. We try to have a system that allows recourse when this happens.


Aye, and I think I'll save my righteous indignation for when they do it to somebody who isn't an idiotic *******.
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Obviously this isn't a huge problem yet. It occasionally happens and when it does it's important that we can stand up for our rights so it doesn't happen again. The police are always making mistakes like this. I don't have a clue why you haven't realize that little fact.


Trust me, I'm well aware that the police make mistakes. And if they did in this case, this guy has the means to seek redress. My issue is with turning this into a presumed attack on "the truth" about 9/11. Deliberately making a scene in a high security area so as to draw police attention does not magically make what you are saying more true than it was before.


And it's *that* fallacy I'm more interested in addressing.
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If he cares about having his rights violated by that cop, he'll sue the NYPD. If the courts agree that his rights were violated, they'll rule in his favor.

I can't help but feel that he couldn't possibly have been the only protester at the memorial, considering how many loons are outside the White House on a daily basis. That makes me think that he was doing something he really shouldn't have been. Whether or not that was within his rights is still not something we know either, of course.

So, all in all, we still don't have enough info.

****, we don't even know if he actually had a warrant out on him already, and just drew attention to himself by protesting, leading to his arrest.
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I can't help but feel that he couldn't possibly have been the only protester at the memorial, considering how many loons are outside the White House on a daily basis.
I was there for guard duty, due to the elevated threat risk. I was "one of the guys with rifles," as one of those videos put it. There were a few people talking about conspiracies, but overall no one screaming at the top of their lungs. And carrying a backpack. Not suspicious at all at elevated threat levels, by the way. I didn't see this guy, though. Anyway, it was a pretty solemn, quiet day. Well, as solemn and quiet as downtown Manhattan can get without planes.

*Oh, I brought up protective custody because several people were taken into protective custody.

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#41 Sep 14 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Default
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I stopped listening after this guy said "9/11 propaganda event" a second time. True, his arrest seems to be somewhat unjustified, but I'd have been happy to see him silenced if I was there. Those "truther" tinfoil hats have no class, no tact, and have no respect for those who died.

Also, posting an Alex Jones video, that's a paddlin'.
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Back in the day if you said crap like he did not only would the crowd kick his *** so would the police and then the inmates in jail. He deserves a full treatment. Being a complete *** brings such benefits.
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#43Bleyat, Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 5:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're a god **** mongoloid lolgaxe. You can't just call any random person who uses a meme an 'internet hipster'. This is not how words work you stupid fuck. You can't just redefine them as you go along merely because you're too poorly educated to properly express yourself. No wonder you had to join the military.
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#46ShadowedgeFFXI, Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 5:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not arguing what the guy was protesting. If 9/11 was an inside job or not is not the question for debate. My point was to show a miscarriage of justice to our first amendment rights. Some people seem to imply this guy had it coming for speaking out on 9/11. I hope you're not intending to put a spin on this thread by implying that the arrest is my attempt at proving 9/11 was an inside job. I have a feeling that's where you're going here, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
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Jophiel wrote:
I can say this: Let's assume for the sake of argument that this guy was just peacefully and legally waving his sign and saying his words and some cop decided to cuff him and take him in.

Sure, the cop shouldn't do that. Ok, now what? The guy gets a court hearing, right? The guy can appeal to one of the organizations that make free speech their bread & butter. It's not as though he's lacking in options and he wouldn't be the first or last person wrongly arrested. That's why we have a justice system that goes beyond "throw 'im in the hole".

So what's supposed to be the take away from the OP? Righteous outrage just 'cause?

...and this happens all the time - probably at most major political rallies. Funny the liberal media didn't pick up on this guy's story though. [:tinhat:]
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#48Bleyat, Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 5:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Great rebuttal you piece of shit. My condolences to the sole literate member of your squad (or whatever) who you dictate your posts to.
#49 Sep 14 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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I also feel it's wrong for those that have bashed this guy just because they don't agree with his speech. You should be supportive of his rights of freedom of speech regardless if you agree or not. Any less than that is un-American.


I won't bash him because I don't agree with him. I will, however, bash him for being a jerk, and for believing things that are patently false.

For all your indignation, you don't even realize that you're preaching to the choir. Pretty much everyone here errs on the side of freedom of speech, with the exception of a very select few. I mean, nobody here has tried to prevent you from making your stupid, childish rants. Heck, you haven't even been rated down.

Edited, Sep 14th 2011 7:50pm by Eske
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You're a god **** mongoloid lolgaxe. You can't just call any random person who uses a meme an 'internet hipster'. This is not how words work you stupid fuck.

You're very touchy about the whole "hipster" thing.
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