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#1 Sep 14 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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No matter what your opinion on the cover story of 9/11, America is supposed to the land of liberty. Our main liberty is supposed to be the freedom of speech and this bill was of course created for unpopular speech. This particular story wasn't covered much on the "mainstream news" although I did find a few clips on FOX about it. It's about this man who has a few signs and protested against the "truth" of the 9/11 cover story. It's ironic that this man was arrested for public speech and hate groups like the KKK are allowed to speak publicly in NYC. Something is serious wrong with our country if issues like this continue to happen. I'm posting this video with this guy's story in hopes more people will wake up.



Edited, Sep 14th 2011 2:59pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#2 Sep 14 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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I like how he thinks Freedom of Speech means he can say whatever he wants whenever and wherever he wants. That KKK you so thoughtfully decided to include get permits and are on incredibly short leashes when they do their little thing.

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I like how he thinks Freedom of Speech means he can say whatever he wants whenever and wherever he wants. That KKK you so thoughtfully decided to include get permits and are on incredibly short leashes when they do their little thing.



Umm... you realize that's because they are a hate group and will attract violence, right? It's a mob scene when the KKK comes to town and they have to clear roads like a parade. A single person in this case doesn't need a permit. Nice try, but epic fail.

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A single person in this case doesn't need a permit. Nice try, but epic fail.
Oh my god that is so CUTE! You combined ill informed conspiracy nut with internet hipster!
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Freedom of speech does not include requiring someone else to pay for the microphone.
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Oh my god that is so CUTE! You combined ill informed conspiracy nut with internet hipster!


What are you talking about or are you just trolling as usual? Freedom of speech is our right and this man was arrested for it. It's not a conspiracy, but it is a miscarriage of justice. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

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Freedom of speech does not include requiring someone else to pay for the microphone.


Huh?

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What are you talking about or are you just trolling as usual?
Well, considering what I'm saying is the honest truth, you just dismissing it as "trolling" sounds suspiciously like what you claim other people are doing to all your claims. Interesting rebuttal.
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Not gonna watch a video at work, so I'm just guessing that he was at the site and saying that 9/11 was an inside-job, or something of the like. Apologies if that's wrong.

Considering the date, isn't it fair to say that this was an attempt to incite violence? Saying stuff like that on the 10th anniversary, with the memorial just opening, is asking for a fight.
#9 Sep 14 2011 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
a successful attempt to incite violence, as someone got violent. Seeing as there seem to be no other sources for this it's hard to say anything meaningful.
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Well, considering what I'm saying is the honest truth, you just dismissing it as "trolling" sounds suspiciously like what you claim other people are doing to all your claims. Interesting rebuttal.


You're right about the KKK, I admitted that. However, you're dead wrong for a lone person being required to have a permit to protest. People do it all the time only this time it was "unpopular" enough to get a trumped up charge. I can't believe you of all people aren't just as ****** off as I am. You claim to be in the military, you should know what our rights are dude especially because our prime function is to defend the country which includes our rights. That's why I said you sounded like you were trolling my post. This isn't a gray issue, this is a solid infraction against the first amendment.
#11 Sep 14 2011 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
It'd be easier to get upset if we had any information besides two conspiracy nuts ranting.
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Freedom of speech does not include requiring someone else to pay for the microphone.


Huh?


I don't know the details of this case (no audio on my work computer, so your video interview is kinda useless), but the general principle is that your right to free speech ends when it starts to cost someone else in some way. If all this guy was doing was standing in a crowd with a sign or something, he wouldn't have been arrested. So either theres some massive conspiracy to conceal the truth which involves every single random police officer arresting someone everyone else would have ignored anyway *or* this guy was doing something more disruptive to those around him than just expressing free speech.

One of those things seems far more likely than the other.
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a successful attempt to incite violence, as someone got violent. Seeing as there seem to be no other sources for this it's hard to say anything meaningful.


Well okay then.

So, on a more interesting tangent, what's with people trying to pick fights on the NYC subway? Been encountering this a lot lately. There's a very aggressive bum that I see on the PATH every couple weeks or so. His pitch is that you should give him money, because he's trying to be honest about getting by, and doesn't want to have to mug people. Thing is, the way that he says it sounds like a threat, so everyone just avoids him. That in turn makes him mad, and he starts raising his voice and telling everyone that they're going to go to ****, etc. etc. Fun stuff.

Yesterday this drunk was walking down the middle of the subway cars (for no apparent reason) while they were moving, and intentionally bumping and shoving people hard. He kept saying "Move out the way." and "Speak fucking English." to anybody who looked foreign, even if they weren't talking. When he went past me, the train rocked, and he fell into me since he wasn't holding on to anything. 'Cept as he did it, he deliberately karate-chopped me in the neck, then tried to half-pass it off as an attempt to steady himself.

I glared at him, but thought better of anything else. Dude was itching for someone to go back at him and start something.

Crazy drunks.
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a successful attempt to incite violence, as someone got violent. Seeing as there seem to be no other sources for this it's hard to say anything meaningful.


That's not the point though. The first amendment is there to protect unpopular speech. It's not there to be censored when people feel like it. You talk about how this was done to incite violence in which I disagree. It wasn't racist like those Minutemen like to do bashing Mexicans. Now that's the far right spectrum of what might get you locked up. I can cite numerous situations where a person has spoken out and some people got upset at them. It doesn't matter, the person being upset and resorting to violence is the one in the wrong. It doesn't matter if the protester aggravated him to rage, it's not grounds to block the first amendment. Your logic is like saying beer caused me to get violence and smack my wife around because she made me angry. It's your choice to get angry and the person who was upset could of walked away or ignored it.

The point of this point is to talk about the miscarriage of justice to lock up a person for freedom of speech.
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You claim to be in the military, you should know what our rights are dude especially because our prime function is to defend the country which includes our rights.
I know our rights don't mean we can exercise them wherever and whenever we feel like it. You know, like my right to have a gun doesn't mean I can just walk around everywhere I feel like with it. I have a right to defend myself, but if someone shoves me and I shoot them in the face, I'm probably not going to get a "self defense" call.
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I don't know the details of this case (no audio on my work computer, so your video interview is kinda useless)

Ditto. I made a game effort to locate another source but everything links back to and relies on this video. Somehow I don't think I'm going to get the whole story here.
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"Fire!" in a crowded theater, etc.
I've also found out, and in no uncertain terms, that the freedom of religion doesn't mean you can practice Mayan sacrifices. That was a kooky fun case. Smiley: oyvey
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I don't know the details of this case (no audio on my work computer, so your video interview is kinda useless)

Ditto. I made a game effort to locate another source but everything links back to and relies on this video. Somehow I don't think I'm going to get the whole story here.
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#20 Sep 14 2011 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Nice try, but epic fail.

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This particular story wasn't covered much on the "mainstream news" although I did find a few clips on FOX about it.


I've never understood people saying this. FOX News is the most popular cable news network in America. It's the definition of "mainstream news."
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#22 Sep 14 2011 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know the details of this case (no audio on my work computer, so your video interview is kinda useless), but the general principle is that your right to free speech ends when it starts to cost someone else in some way. If all this guy was doing was standing in a crowd with a sign or something, he wouldn't have been arrested. So either theres some massive conspiracy to conceal the truth which involves every single random police officer arresting someone everyone else would have ignored anyway *or* this guy was doing something more disruptive to those around him than just expressing free speech.

One of those things seems far more likely than the other.


That's just not true. There are accounts of people being treated poorly by police for far less infractions. This guy wasn't attacking people, only saying 9/11 was an inside job. As for your analysis, you're over thinking things. The police don't all have to be on the conspiracy. How do you know they aren't there to deal with troublemakers like this guy. The content of what was said by this man is irrelevant. A man was arrested for doing nothing. This happens all along. Are you honestly going to tell me our police force does everything by the book? maybe they just wanted to take this guy off the street so they wouldn't have a bigger mess if he caused a riot. Kinda of like preventative action. The bottom line is this isn't legal and the man arrested will fight and win this clear abuse of power.
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This particular story wasn't covered much on the "mainstream news" although I did find a few clips on FOX about it.
I've never understood people saying this. FOX News is the most popular cable news network in America. It's the definition of "mainstream news."
They have The Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad make fun of Fox and conservatives, which means they're unbiased. You don't see CNN or MSNBC making cartoons mocking them, do you?
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I can say this: Let's assume for the sake of argument that this guy was just peacefully and legally waving his sign and saying his words and some cop decided to cuff him and take him in.

Sure, the cop shouldn't do that. Ok, now what? The guy gets a court hearing, right? The guy can appeal to one of the organizations that make free speech their bread & butter. It's not as though he's lacking in options and he wouldn't be the first or last person wrongly arrested. That's why we have a justice system that goes beyond "throw 'im in the hole".

So what's supposed to be the take away from the OP? Righteous outrage just 'cause?
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This particular story wasn't covered much on the "mainstream news" although I did find a few clips on FOX about it.
I've never understood people saying this. FOX News is the most popular cable news network in America. It's the definition of "mainstream news."
They have The Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad make fun of Fox and conservatives, which means they're unbiased. You don't see CNN or MSNBC making cartoons mocking them, do you?

FOX News =/= FOX
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You guys still have rights down there?
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