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#177 Sep 19 2011 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I see where your going so I address that. Obama promised things that were left wing points of interest. There was no centralist views, only his words that he would team up with GOP that would vote for their social programs.

You mean aside from things like expanding nuclear energy and sending additional troops into Afghanistan.

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Agreed, it's complicated to say what is far left as it's an extreme indicator and varies by the person.

What? Smiley: laugh So you're really just saying it means whatever you need it to mean.
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#178 Sep 19 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, I'm speaking specifically about Paul. Libertariany or not, it's right wing voters he needs to attract. And he clearly stands for removal from those wars because he has right wing voters telling him that's what they want. Which proves my point that getting out of those wars are not left or right wing ideas. The reason why to get out of the war may be, but getting out of the war, as the only criteria you stated, was not solely a left wing ideal.


Look I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this is what you said.

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There are a lot of people on the right who want out of those wars


I'm asking for names and I already gave you Ron Paul in my last post. You clearly said "there are a lot of people" and I'm wondering how many you can find though research.

Secondly you have no clue how Ron Paul thinks. Go to youtube and hear him speak over the past 30 years. Ron Paul isn't trying to get us out of the wars because of what voters think. He wants us out of them because they're against the Constitution and is causing this country to go bankrupt. Paul isn't pandering to his voter base. His voter base is pandering to his enforcement of the Constitution. All the other candidates don't have a clue about the Constitution including Obama who is supposed to be some type of lawyer for it.
#179 Sep 19 2011 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:

I'm going to assume you don't have top level security clearance like I do.


Smiley: oyvey

Having high-level security clearance, then flapping your gums on an online forum seems like a bad idea. Seems like you're either lying or should shut up before you lose your job.
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#180 Sep 19 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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#181 Sep 19 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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People with high level security access always post suggestively on gaming forums. Smiley: schooled


Seems I have much to learn about the world.

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#182 Sep 19 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
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You mean aside from things like expanding nuclear energy and sending additional troops into Afghanistan.


He promised to take the troops out of Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan where the real crime took place. As LOLGAXE said, we'll be in Iraq forever and sadly I can't disagree. If you add up all the things that appeal to liberal voters and GOP voters, you'll find that Obama has given more to the right than Bush. There were many policies that Obama signed that the GOP couldn't get though when Bush was in office. None of this stuff is hard to find.

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What? Smiley: laugh So you're really just saying it means whatever you need it to mean.


Yeah, exactly. It applies to everyone though and their tolerance of the other viewpoint. It's a subjective term regardless.
#183 Sep 19 2011 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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He promised to take the troops out of Iraq and send more troops to Afghanistan

And you feel this was some major left-wing talking point?

That explains all those lefties today who still ***** about Obama increasing troop strength in Afghanistan as though he broke a promise to them.

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There were many policies that Obama signed that the GOP couldn't get though when Bush was in office.

Name a couple.

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It's a subjective term regardless.

It's a meaningless term when you toss it about like that.
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#184 Sep 19 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I'm asking for names and I already gave you Ron Paul in my last post. You clearly said "there are a lot of people" and I'm wondering how many you can find though research.
I said lot of people on the right want out of the wars, yes. I didn't say lots of people running for President did.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 2:36pm by Uglysasquatch
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#185 Sep 19 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
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Having high-level security clearance, then flapping your gums on an online forum seems like a bad idea. Seems like you're either lying or should shut up before you lose your job.


I retained my clearance from my military service. There are a number of subjects I'm unable to speak about in any form whatsoever. I was hired by the FBI for 2 weeks and I gave them my resignation because of their "protocols". Basically they spy on all of us thanks to the Patriot Act(thanks tons Bush/Obama) and especially people like me that are in the system. Nothing I'll say though will be against my mandate so I'm fine. Unlike these corrupt a-holes, I'm a man of my word so they leave me alone.

I'm out of the business, so I can talk about a lot of things that I couldn't previously at all. If you walked in my boots,you'd be just as pissed. Most of the info I know comes from reading official documents and time in the service.
#186 Sep 19 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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#187 Sep 19 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel wrote:

And you feel this was some major left-wing talking point?

That explains all those lefties today who still ***** about Obama increasing troop strength in Afghanistan as though he broke a promise to them.


The left wing part was to take troops out period. I see your point, it's just a close call.

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Name a couple.


I will when people start giving me research not found on google. I'm still waiting for these names of GOP that don't support the war.

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It's a meaningless term when you toss it about like that.


It's subjective and every person has a different belief. It's like if I said this movie was awesome. Awesome to you might not be the right word to describe the degree of excitement.
#188 Sep 19 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:


I will when people start giving me research not found on google. I'm still waiting for these names of GOP that don't support the war.


If your statement were true, you'd have these now implemented policies right there in your head. In fact, if you didn't know about them or if they didn't exist there'd be no reason to make the statement that you made. Furthermore, if you made the statment as a point in fact you'd have added the examples as it would have just bolstered your argument. The only reason you have for not providing them is because you were just writing any old crap that you thought sounded good.

At least try and make it funny.



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#189 Sep 19 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I will when people start giving me research not found on google. I'm still waiting for these names of GOP that don't support the war.
I'm not digging into any Tea Party members lists to provide you with names. Since what I'm talking about are the voters/supporters of Paul, I could just as easily spout off 50 names and you'd never know since they're just everyday people.
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#190 Sep 19 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Name a couple.
I will when...

Easier to just admit you can't. Using your unrelated side argument with Ugly to avoid being honest with me is pretty pathetic.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 1:10pm by Jophiel
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#191 Sep 19 2011 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
I don't feel that this thread is going anywhere anymore. I'll just stick to topics where I can prove things without all this drama.
#192 Sep 19 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that's one way to duck out when you can't back your stuff up.
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#193 Sep 19 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I don't feel that this thread is going anywhere anymore. I'll just stick to topics where I can prove things without all this drama.
But you've provided 4 pages of mild amusement. I'd hate to see you stop posting altogether.
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#194 Sep 19 2011 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I'll just stick to topics where I can prove things without all this drama.


Have fun offline, by yourself.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 2:18pm by Eske
#195REDACTED, Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 12:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I threw down the gauntlet and nobody will respond. It's not I who backed down, it's everyone else. I refuse to play until my turn is up.
#196 Sep 19 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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#197 Sep 19 2011 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Joph, stop trolling, you troll.
#198 Sep 19 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Well, that's one way to duck out when you can't back your stuff up.



I threw down the gauntlet and nobody will respond. It's not I who backed down, it's everyone else. I refuse to play until my turn is up.


You threw down a pretty meaningless gauntlet though. Who would like to get us "out of the Middle East"? Um... Pretty much everyone. Who realizes that it's a lot more complicated than that and you can't just bail out? Pretty much everyone except Ron Paul.

Actually, to be more fair, I'm reasonably certain that Paul knows that what he's promising isn't possible in any sort of short term. The difference is that he's dishonest enough to promise it anyway. Well, him and Obama right up until he actually got elected I suppose.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 3:56pm by gbaji
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#199 Sep 19 2011 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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#200REDACTED, Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 7:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I know there is difficulty to leave the Middle East, but it doesn't mean that we can't do it. We can't just pull out the troops tomorrow because of paperwork and equipment concerns. However, Paul would pull out the troops in a reasonable time frame. One of the reasons we're supposed to have troops overseas in Germany and other countries is so we can deploy within 24 hours to anywhere in the world. It goes both ways as contractors could handle most of the logistics. The real problem is the lobbyists don't want to leave this war. There is no end in sight. I suppose you prefer another Korea.
#201 Sep 19 2011 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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