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#152 Sep 17 2011 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
Because every President over the past 100 years has made a big deal about showing their long form birth certificate to prove that they were really born here... Oh wait.

Dude, you are so a birther it isn't even funny.
#153 Sep 17 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't work out so well though, did it?

Well, it did a capital job of making Birthers like you look stupid so I'd call it a win.

This doesn't even count the connected conspiracies you bought into. "I heard Hawaii made it illegal to even ask for your birth certificate! " Smiley: laugh

Look, I get that you're never going to admit that you get sucked into this nonsense. I get that you're never going to admit that you eat it up with the same zeal as any Truther or Moon Landing hoax guy or Holocaust denier or Grassy Knoll enthusiast. Just know that you are convincing no one when you insist that it's not true. You can whine "popularity fallacy" or whatever to that but the simple fact is that everyone else has already observed the evidence and come to the conclusion; you don't wait on the insane to admit that they're insane.
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#154 Sep 18 2011 at 1:14 PM Rating: Default
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You realize that using Youtube videos as sources, or as a way of expressing your views, does not help your case, right?

You don't come off well when you challenge others to be as "informed" as you are, and then link to Youtube. Academic sources, pier-reviewed journals, or testimony by respected and documented experts are really the only way to go.

I mean, you got your facts wrong about the Seal team in the Chinook already. You got them wrong in your haste and clear-as-day desire to be able cry conspiracy. Why should we take anything you say remotely seriously?


You realize most people on this forum won't read or research anything that can't be googled, right? I happen to agree with you. I use databases myself to research facts which I believe I already said in a previous post. The problem is most of these sources are NOT available to the average person who doesn't have access. The people that I'm arguing against here are only used to sound bites and to believing anything authority might tell them is fact. In other words, they're conditioned by the establishment and lack critical thinking skills except against people that aren't chosen by the establishment. Anyone who voted for Obama or Bush in the last 12 years clearly lacks the ability to think for themselves.

My youtube video clip showed Ron Paul warning the American people on several occasions. Do I need to bring up the first Twin Tower attack? Or how about the US Cole bombing? The idea that this attack was unexpected like a Pearl Harbor is laughable at best. Whether 9/11 was planned by the CIA or not isn't the issue. Our pathetic foreign policy alone should tell you a few things.

Seal team 6 kill Bin Laden and low and behold finds their members being blown away by a rpg attack weeks later. What's wrong with that statement?





Edited, Sep 18th 2011 3:00pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#155 Sep 18 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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Seal team 6 kill Bin Laden and low and behold finds their members being blown away by a rpg attack weeks later. What's wrong with that statement?


That it's not what you said? I have the capability of looking at the other pages in this thread, you know.

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those same exact Seals that killed him.


Smiley: rolleyes

To the rest: there are plenty of people on this forum that are more than capable of providing a reputable source. You're not one of them, so your condescension is unwarranted.

Edited, Sep 18th 2011 7:12pm by Eske
#156 Sep 19 2011 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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I can't believe it took me til the fourth page to realize that Shadowedge is a truther, awesome, I have a new tinfoil hat to play with.
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#157 Sep 19 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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#158 Sep 19 2011 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
Eske Esquire wrote:

That it's not what you said? I have the capability of looking at the other pages in this thread, you know.


You're arguing semantics chief. I was referring to Seal team 6 as the same group that killed him. The actual Seals on team 6 that "killed Bin Laden" isn't public knowledge anyway so you don't know either.

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those same exact Seals that killed him.



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To the rest: there are plenty of people on this forum that are more than capable of providing a reputable source. You're not one of them, so your condescension is unwarranted.

Edited, Sep 18th 2011 7:12pm by Eske


I've only been lurking a short time so I haven't seen anything credible coming from a single person thus far. You want me to post credible sources from databases and such, fine make it worth my time by proving me wrong that you guys are capable of comprehending the data. People prefer to believe the media cover stories which aren't researched, but given by the top brass of their companies and all the media person is responsible for being a mouthpiece. I'll keep the jury open, but so far all I see are trolls like Joph and LOLGAXE that have an opinion, but keep it safe enough to hide behind any real feelings they might have.

I'm not a truther or any of those labels either. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. What I am is someone who is tired of being screwed over by a government that is supposed to protect us and our rights. Greed and corruption rule our lives at the basic corporation level and yet people are naive to think that the government isn't worse. If anything I say is true, the establishment from the mainstream media won't be reporting it because they've been bought off. Go check your American history if you doubt this. The English tried and fail to stop the revolution by misleading the public too. So our independence was won by people spreading the word though the shadows as the establishment controlled things. Like it not, most people will believe what authority tells them without even challenging it for themselves. Most of you guys are nothing more than brainwashed lemmings. You have the audacity to claim that people on here are equipped to debate on such a high level with me, yet I have never seen anything to prove such a claim on this thread or any other. All I do see is arrogant a-holes that only know how to criticize your grammar or intelligence based on your stance. You think you're so damn smart, but you guys don't see that both the left and right is in bed together. Obama who ran on a far left platform isn't so left anymore and if anything is more right. That should be obvious to most people which it is outside this trollish forum with people that use their brain to think for themselves.

I'm not even pissed at you guys, just disappointed so many idiots run around as clueless lemmings. I fully expect some snarky remarks or something I said quoted taken out of context. That will prove my point for me so I wouldn't do it. because if anyone responds in that manner, I'll just respond with "I told you so" not bothering to read it.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 11:02am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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all I see are trolls like Joph

Rwarr! Smiley: laugh
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just disappointed so many idiots run around as clueless lemmings

Feeling's mutual.


Edited, Sep 19th 2011 10:57am by Jophiel
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#160 Sep 19 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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#161 Sep 19 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
all I see are trolls like Joph
Rwarr! Smiley: laugh
My name is in all capitals, which means I hurt his feelings more.
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Obama who ran on a far left platform isn't so left anymore and if anything is more right.

Were you drunk on Listerine when you wrote this? Obama ran on a centrist platform. Remember the whole bit about compromise and working in a bipartisan fashion, etc?
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#163 Sep 19 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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#164 Sep 19 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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Were you drunk on Listerine when you wrote this? Obama ran on a centrist platform. Remember the whole bit about compromise and working in a bipartisan fashion, etc?


No, but apparently you were high on something because you put more emphasis on words than actions. Obama ran on his public healthcare option and to stop the wars in the Middle East. Both of those views are far left. Univerval Health care is socialist agenda, there is no bipartisan as not a single GOP voted for it. Obama sure did run his mouth about being a centralist, but if you used your brain to see his policies and vision, you clearly see it was a radical left platform.

None of Obama's promises have been compromises for the left, only the right. That comes from left winged bias shows like MSNBC. There is no bipartisan evidence to speak of unless you want to believe his speeches. LMAO @ you for falling for it.

Joph levels down and loses 4 more IQ points.


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My name is in all capitals, which means I hurt his feelings more.


No, I just expect more from you because of your background. You're incapable of offending me, you only bring down the military everything time you speak.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 11:16am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Ending the wars in the Middle East are not far left. I'm not even sure they're left ideals.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 1:16pm by Uglysasquatch
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#166 Sep 19 2011 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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My name is in all capitals, which means I hurt his feelings more.
No, I just expect more from you because of your background. You're incapable of offending me, you only bring down the military everything time you speak.
You can lie about my not hitting a nerve all you want, but the name calling is a pretty big tell.
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#167 Sep 19 2011 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Ending the wars in the Middle East are not far left. I'm not even sure they're left ideals.



Ok, I'll try to explain this to you. Right now you probably know that the GOP serves corporations and bankers. The DEM are more about social welfare and the entitlement system. Now what stands in the way for the left to expand their social welfare? The answer is the wars in the Middle East as the spending is out of control. So the left pushes for the troops to return and the wars to end so more money can "get jobs" and "be used for welfare programs". The right has welfare programs too.. they are called tax breaks for the rich and subsidies for the oil companies.

The ideals are just motives for what they really want. The ideology for why they want out of the wars is misleading. You have to scratch the surface and see their motives.

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You can lie about my not hitting a nerve all you want, but the name calling is a pretty big tell.


Even if it were true, I'm more disappointed than anything else. Everything is a game with you and all you can do is joke about people. That's quite sad honestly never having anything to add of substance. Believe what you want, I've already locked you in as a bully and troll.

Shadowedge levels up... ding!



Edited, Sep 19th 2011 11:28am by ShadowedgeFFXI
#168 Sep 19 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, but apparently you were high on something because you put more emphasis on words than actions.

Words over actions... in a campaign? Remember? "Ran on a far left platform"?

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Obama ran on his public healthcare option

Clinton ran on a platform of single-payor universal insurance which is arguably "far left". Obama ran on a model of private corporations providing the bulk of the coverage (even the "exchanges" are predominately private companies). A model implemented by Governor Romney and advocated by the GOP in the 1990s. You and I obviously have dramatically different ideas of what's "far left".

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not a single GOP voted for it

I thought we were talking about his campaign? So your original argument is that Obama pretended to be far left during the campaign but was really closer to the right and now your argument is that Obama only pretended to be moderate during the campaign but he was really always far left in practice with health care plans that didn't get a single GOP vote?

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Joph levels down and loses 4 more IQ points.

Cutting.
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#169 Sep 19 2011 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Believe what you want, I've already locked you in as a bully and troll.
And you've been locked as a paranoid truther who puts more substance into conspiracy theories than reality, and when no one follows blindly behind you, you become belligerent and complain like any other child on the internet. The only difference between the two of us is that I'm right.
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#170 Sep 19 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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That it's not what you said? I have the capability of looking at the other pages in this thread, you know.


You're arguing semantics chief. I was referring to Seal team 6 as the same group that killed him. The actual Seals on team 6 that "killed Bin Laden" isn't public knowledge anyway so you don't know either.


You don't get to cry "semantics" when the entire meaning of the sentence is objectively different, sorry. If you said "I helped my Uncle jack off a horse" when you meant "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse" we'd all be quite justified in having a good laugh at your expense. Now, if you want to contritely say that you used the wrong wording for what you meant, then that'd be okay.

I'd wager that you don't have the humility for it, though.

It's public knowledge that none of the Seals on the Bin Laden mission were in the downed chopper. 'Course, that information came from the government, so I suppose it's prudent for us to assume that they're lying to us, amirite?

I love that any slight elicits these histrionics and non-sequitor soapbox rants out of you, though. That's fun. Might be the first time I've heard Joph called a troll, come to think of it.

I'll give you lolgaxe, though. Dude is all about that. And he must be doing it well, since he's clearly gotten under your skin.

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 12:45pm by Eske
#171 Sep 19 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Default
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Words over actions... in a campaign? Remember? "Ran on a far left platform"?


I see where your going so I address that. Obama promised things that were left wing points of interest. There was no centralist views, only his words that he would team up with GOP that would vote for their social programs. It never happened regardless as nobody supported him.

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Obama ran on his public healthcare option
Clinton ran on a platform of single-payor universal insurance which is arguably "far left". Obama ran on a model of private corporations providing the bulk of the coverage (even the "exchanges" are predominately private companies). A model implemented by Governor Romney and advocated by the GOP in the 1990s. You and I obviously have dramatically different ideas of what's "far left".


Agreed, it's complicated to say what is far left as it's an extreme indicator and varies by the person. Romney is taking hits for his socialist program that Obama adopted. Clinton is a liberal and so is her ex-president husband. So the only point for me to address here is Romney who got burned for his bill in Mass. It's funny no GOP voted for Obamacare, so that makes me question Romney's credibility even more so. He's clearly a flip flopper.
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Ending the wars in the Middle East are not far left. I'm not even sure they're left ideals.



Ok, I'll try to explain this to you. Right now you probably know that the GOP serves corporations and bankers. The DEM are more about social welfare and the entitlement system. Now what stands in the way for the left to expand their social welfare? The answer is the wars in the Middle East as the spending is out of control. So the left pushes for the troops to return and the wars to end so more money can "get jobs" and "be used for welfare programs". The right has welfare programs too.. they are called tax breaks for the rich and subsidies for the oil companies.

The ideals are just motives for what they really want. The ideology for why they want out of the wars is misleading. You have to scratch the surface and see their motives.
What the GOP and Dems want, has nothing to do with right or left ideals. There are a lot of people on the right who want out of those wars as well. Matter of fact, there's some who've plat formed on that very thing. Now, you can say that getting out of those wars is a Dem policy, but that doesn't make it a left ideal.

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Believe what you want, I've already locked you in as a bully and troll.
Way to go and dig a little deeper.


Edited, Sep 19th 2011 2:03pm by Uglysasquatch
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#173 Sep 19 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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I'd wager that you don't have the humility for it, though.


I used the wrong wording. I've said it before that I don't proofread enough so I make errors.

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It's public knowledge that none of the Seals on the Bin Laden mission were in the downed chopper. 'Course, that information came from the government, so I suppose it's prudent for us to assume that they're lying to us, amirite?


I'm going to assume you don't have top level security clearance like I do. Nor have you passed the FBI's background check either. The reason why this is relevant is this. IF the government let the press know the name of the Seals that killed Bin Laden, we could check for ourselves once the names came out who died in the helicopter. Without that, it's impossible for anyone without clearance to know for sure unless they're a SEAL.

They probably are lying to us. If the SEALS on that team knew stuff that was considered dangerous, the government can kill them. I don't think that you know this already. That's part of the condition of being a SEAL that goes on these projects. If you or your team gives out info, you can forfeit your life. I'm sure you heard the statement that if you get caught the US will deny any responsibility and they will say you were acting alone. This falls into that category. I don't know for sure if this is the case in this situation or not, but I do know that a SEAL on a classified mission like this one will be taken out for leaks. My gut tells me the SEAL team didn't like the funeral at sea story and spoke out, but that's a theory based on my previous experience with them.

#174 Sep 19 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
]What the GOP and Dems want, has nothing to do with right or left ideals. There are a lot of people on the right who want out of those wars as well. Matter of fact, there's some who've plat formed on that very thing. Now, you can say that getting out of those wars is a Dem policy, but that doesn't make it a left ideal.


Alright you guys wanted to play this game so here is round 1.

Which GOP are against the war that aren't Libertarian like Ron Paul?

Names
Voting Record
History of flip flopping
etc

I'll be waiting...

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 12:07pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Oh, I'm speaking specifically about Paul. Libertariany or not, it's right wing voters he needs to attract. And he clearly stands for removal from those wars because he has right wing voters telling him that's what they want. Which proves my point that getting out of those wars are not left or right wing ideas. The reason why to get out of the war may be, but getting out of the war, as the only criteria you stated, was not solely a left wing ideal.
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I'm going to assume you don't have top level security clearance like I do.
I'm genuinely curious how you obtained it.
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