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#27 Sep 09 2011 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt they knew they were driving their lamborghinis, Maseratis, Ferraris etc.
I don't know if I should consider you an optimist for thinking people would never be so stupid to give kids cars like this or a pessimist for thinking this many parents are blind to their kids and this many kids would steal their parents' cars, all at the same time.

I stole my dad's drag racing car once, drove it over to the next town and back. I got caught, but I still did it.
Did you talk 5-6 friends into stealing their Dad's drag cars as well?

No, because my friend's dad's didn't race, silly!
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.
Yeah. If they're under 18, at least in the states, they'd lose their provisional license privileges, and not be eligible to get a license again until they're 18. There'd also be a hefty fine (in many states the fine increases with the speed).
In my opinion, calling this "excessively speeding" minimizes it. Most of these kids didn't even have proper licenses! I'm only familiar with Texas law, and I'm too lazy to look up Canadian law. Remember, we're the state that has an 85 mph speed limit in some places (admittedly, ************

1) They had people driving to impede the speed of traffic. I don't know about Canada, but that's illegal here.
2) At the very least, they could be charged with reckless driving. Here, this is a misdemeanor and can land you in jail.
3) Street racing is at the very least misdemeanor in most states and can easily land you in jail. Here, at minimum it's a Class B misdemeanor, which can get you up to 180 days (not to mention the fines, which obviously these kids wouldn't give a **** about.)
4) Eluding the police is a Class B misdemeanor (I wouldn't be surprised if these kids tried to do this, considering the fact that they caught them in separate groups, but I obviously don't know this for sure).

They're lucky they didn't kill or injure anybody because at that point they would easily be seeing felony charges.

If a kid is driving a vehicle that has the potential to kill somebody, they'd **** well better be held up to the responsibility of an adult. If they can't, maybe they shouldn't be driving in the first place.
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Losing the cars permanently is going to BURN as badly as jail, ESPECIALLY if they are their parent's cars. OMG they are going to be in a world of trouble. Paying their parents back for the cars is REALLY going to hurt. Which if their parents have a lick of sense, they are going to make them do, no matter how much cash the parents have in the trust fund.
If the parents had a lick of sense, their 18-21 yr old kids wouldn't be driving their Lamborghini, Maserati, Ferrari, or Aston Martin.

I bet it doesn't hurt very bad at all.


This. And it certainly wouldn't hurt as bad as it would have say, hurt someone who was just trying to get home after a long shift at work, getting T-boned by these spoiled brats. They deserve to be criminally charged.
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
They should. Too bad they got slaps on the wrists instead.


yeah this whole province is such a small town, the crown council probably knew the parents of the kids and said "oh, no, not enough evidence to put before a judge"

I wish I was kidding.

Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.
So they should have their license revoked for 6 months to a year. Agreed.


No, they should face criminal charges. I bet if the kids had been brown or asian driving like that they would have been charged. But since they are protected by the old boys club in this province, they will get away with it. $200 bucks for someone driving a luxury car? I am sure that is less than a day's allowance.

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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.


This is exactly what I was thinking as well. As for those saying that the police are going hard on them because of the privledge? WHAT? Did you see where they are not laying charges - EVEN THOUGH THEY ADMITTED TO BREAKING THE LAW?

Here is a snippet I transcribed from the news last night:

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One of the 13 drivers has admitted to us some of his friends were easily pushing in excess of 200 km/hr down the highway south of Vancouver.


Meanwhile in Britain someone who walked into a store, stole nothing, then confessed is getting criminal charges? But they're poor. No one on the bench has cognac with their dads, so I guess they can rot in jail.

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The 31-year-old, who works as a learning mentor at a primary school in Stockwell, south London, had been arrested in an electrical goods store in Croydon at the peak of the riots on Monday. He pleaded guilty to burglary with intent to steal and was released on conditional bail; the court was told he had not been seen taking any items from the store.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/18/england-rioters-pillars-of-the-community?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487






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Elinda wrote:
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Sheer criminality, if you ask me. Give 'em ten years without the option.
Inorite. Exceeding the speed limit is serious bizness.

I see the officials going hard on these youngsters simply because of the value of their vehicles and the status of their families.

Really, the charges are speeding, perhaps driving to endanger. Nothing very felonious (nothing i didn't do as a kid, although my tempest only hit 120mph).


OK, see, you got exactly the wrong impression from my post. I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich, for what is very reckless behaviour with the harsh sentencing seen in the aftermath of the london riots, often for very minor offences.

Differently scaled sentences for very different offences in countries on opposite sides of the ocean. How could I miss that?


You seem to have mistaken my first post for a message to you, personally. I don't blame you for not understanding it, but I'm not obliged to have you in my thoughts when I post.

I don't really see where you're going with the whole different offences thing, but you've one again misunderstood the point of the comparison if you think it matters that the two legal systems are distinct.

As for you position on this, I have to say your attitude to this kind of thing disturbs me. I recall you saying a university student filming two people having *** and uploading it to the net was guilty of no more than a school-boy prank - glad I didn't go to your school. Apparently you used to speed pretty heavily, as well.

What you have to realise is that most people aren't as dangerously stupid as you were. Your younger self wasn't a lovable scamp, and neither are those who commit the same crimes.

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I mean, I've certainly gone close to 120, but when passing in the opposing lane of traffic in otherwise empty bumble@#%^ (except for that one slow farmer @#%^ in the tractor), you don't really have much of a choice (well, I suppose you can lower the speed down to 100 and not be possible road pizza if the person in front of you is going slowly enough.) There's also nobody you can really kill besides yourself and deer. Prolonged driving through rural Texas might make you consider killing yourself, though.

And really, @#%^ deer.


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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.
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#34 Sep 09 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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200 km/h is 124 mph Smiley: grin

My car can't even hit 120. The fastest it might be able to eke out is 110.

I guess racing against the impending urge to off yourself if you drive another minute longer might count as street racing.


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Which is less, you crazy criminal.
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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
You mean 120mph is just over 200kmph? Yes.

Edit: Yea, I'm wrong. Numbers are hard.


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Eske Esquire wrote:
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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
Mainly it's a poor excuse Smiley: grin I've only done it maybe once or twice.

Still probably pretty dumb even if I'm not putting anyone in danger. In the city, I'm practically a grandma. 70 miles an hour? Wild night.

(The speed limit where I live is 65)

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200km/hour is less than 120miles/hour. Turn yourself in.


It's just over 120 mph, but yeah. If you have to go 120 mph to pass people, you're doin' it wrong.
Mainly it's a poor excuse Smiley: grin I've only done it maybe once or twice.

Still probably pretty dumb even if I'm not putting anyone in danger.


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Kavekk wrote:
I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


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They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?
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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


[quote=Elinda]They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


[quote=Elinda]They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

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Uh... He was intoxicated as well? And this was far from his first offense. I suspect the DWI had more to do with it. He also owned the car.
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gbaji wrote:
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I was comparing the slap on the wrist these guys are getting, almost certainly because they are rich...


Elinda wrote:
They should be treated no differently than any other kid caught excessively speeding.



This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?



Nope they would had been sent to jail from the start if they weren't rich.
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This is the problem. It's the exact opposite of what Kavekk is claiming. If this was a group of working class kids driving their parents mustangs and/or Nissans and otherwise doing the exact same driving at the same speeds, no one would be talking about confiscating these cars. It is only because of the value of the cars that it's deemed ok "because they are rich".

Justice is supposed to treat rich and poor the same, right?



Nope they would had been sent to jail from the start if they weren't rich.


And what? Charged the same fine that these kids were, right? Can you even find an example of someone being convicted of a non-injury street racing event who was sentenced to jail time? Can you find an example of their cars being actually seized (not just impounded for a period of time)? Other than this case, of course.

You assume that because the people involved are wealthy that they just must be being given special treatment. But do you know that for sure? It looks a lot more to me like they are being hit harder *because* they are wealthy. Everyone is outraged because they got off with just a minor fine, but if they hadn't been driving such expensive cars, odds are you'd not even have heard about the case, there wouldn't be such outrage and the government would not have seized their cars.


But feel free to prove me wrong. Show me cases were cars have been seized in cases where there was no DUI and no injury or crash. If you can't, then you can't make the claim that they're being given special treatment.
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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.

Edit: Googling "Car confiscated for speeding" brought up a great many examples from around the world, including one moron in Finland who decided to speed after he got his car washed to dry it off.

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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.
Any modern vehicle, with at least a V6 can reach 200km/h. Many 4 cylinders can as well.
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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.
Any modern vehicle, with at least a V6 can reach 200km/h. Many 4 cylinders can as well.


My little 1997 Honda Accord complains when it's going above 75 MPH. I probably need to ask my mechanic about a tune-up sometime.
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Yes, well modern was meant as anything newer, but that 97 Accord would easily approach 200km/h when it was new, if not exceed that.
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Perhaps Smiley: laugh I just checked, the speedometer goes up to 220. I never paid attention to that before.

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If they weren't driving such expensive cars, I doubt they would have reached 200KM an hour in the first place.


As several people have pointed out, that's 124mph. That's fast, but not ridiculously so. I have accidentally hit 100mph in my car before. You certainly don't need a $100k+ sports car to do so. What the expensive sports car does do, however, is make traveling at that speed much safer than say some guy driving his souped up ricer.

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Edit: Googling "Car confiscated for speeding" brought up a great many examples from around the world, including one moron in Finland who decided to speed after he got his car washed to dry it off.


Any examples of what I asked for?

First link:

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Any two or more cars seen 'racing' will be confiscated, he said and added traffic law allows police to impound a car for 30 days in addition to a fine of Dh2,000 and 12 black points for reckless driving. However, repeat offenders will have their vehicles confiscated permanently.


So only repeat offenders get them taken permanently.

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Looking for a fast and easy way to dry your car after you wash it? Don't try speeding those little drops away. Police in Amsterdam stopped a man for just that. He was driving almost 70 in a 40 m.p.h. zone. Because he didn't have his driver's license with him, police confiscated the car. Clean or not, police will hold the car until he can prove he can legally drive.


Wasn't because he was speeding, but because he had no drivers license. And he gets the car back once he provides one.

Third link doesn't address the issue.

Fourth link doesn't have sufficient details to know whether he got the car back.

I'm not going to keep doing your digging here, but I've yet to find a single example where the only offense was speeding/racing (ie: no drinking, and no injuries or crashes) and the cars were confiscated permanently. Again, you feel free to find cases showing otherwise, but I still haven't seen any.
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How do you accidentally hit 100mph? What kind of car were you driving? The only time I've ever done that, I was well aware of the fact that I was near that speed, and the car was sure to let me know by the fact that it was rattling (piece of crap) or floating (family sedans aren't meant to go that fast apparently.

Actually, come to think of it, I did hit near that first time I drove the 300 I used to have and was shocked to find out I was going anywhere near that.
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