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#1 Sep 08 2011 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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Ads for Banning all Religion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhAKzYr4-wg

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I liked the first one a lot more; the second one, I seem to recall, had only little white kids. Kinda defeats the purpose when your message is "bringing us all together... if you're white." But I also didn't care for the outdated use of the evolution of man found in the first one though (the ape ---> man metamorphosis is not how evolution works). So I guess I the tie made sense; both had weak points.

Pretty funny though, would be hilarious to see them on US TV Smiley: lol
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#3 Sep 08 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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It's funny that an advertising show is having a contest for ads whose purpose is to convince (who?) to ban free-thinking.

Is the show always this stupid, or is dissing religion simply the 'in' thing to do these days?
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Finally some truth in advertising!
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Elinda wrote:
It's funny that an advertising show is having a contest for ads whose purpose is to convince (who?) to ban free-thinking.

Man, I couldn't see ANY atheist groups doing this. No way, atheists don't advertise (and neither do churches, amirite?)! Smiley: oyvey I guess you don't live in an area of the world where you drive by religious billboards or see religious commercials daily. Must be nice.

The audience is pretty obvious: attempt to persuade people to leave religion. Some folks make being anti-religion their religion.
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It's funny that an advertising show is having a contest for ads whose purpose is to convince (who?) to ban free-thinking.

Man, I couldn't see ANY atheist groups doing this. No way, atheists don't advertise (and neither do churches, amirite?)! Smiley: oyvey I guess you don't live in an area of the world where you drive by religious billboards or see religious commercials daily. Must be nice.

The audience is pretty obvious: attempt to persuade people to leave religion. Some folks make being anti-religion their religion.

Actually we don't have billboards where I live. Regardless, no, I've never seen a religion advertising to ban atheism.

If I were religious I don't think either of those commercials would make me question my beliefs. They'd probably **** me off with their stupid rhetoric.

What I didn't catch is this particular ad contest is to sell the unsellable. Still, why would you want to sell an idea that is to ban others from their ideas.

Just my opinion, eh. That's why posts are made yes?

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Elinda wrote:
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It's funny that an advertising show is having a contest for ads whose purpose is to convince (who?) to ban free-thinking.

Man, I couldn't see ANY atheist groups doing this. No way, atheists don't advertise (and neither do churches, amirite?)! Smiley: oyvey I guess you don't live in an area of the world where you drive by religious billboards or see religious commercials daily. Must be nice.

The audience is pretty obvious: attempt to persuade people to leave religion. Some folks make being anti-religion their religion.

Actually we don't have billboards where I live. Regardless, no, I've never seen a religion advertising to ban atheism.

If I were religious I don't think either of those commercials would make me question my beliefs. They'd probably **** me off with their stupid rhetoric.

Lucky. Every day I pass by this billboard:
after you die


It's pretty inoffensive, but I bet it would **** off a hardcore atheist. Hence why I would have no problem believing an atheist group would fund a commercial like those on here. I don't think they'll work necessarily, but when people define themselves by a specific belief, they tend to let reason go out the window.

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Just my opinion, eh. That's why posts are made yes?

Yep, and I'm just being antagonistic because I'm an Annoying *** (TM) Smiley: grin

Edit: Actually, I think the billboard I see has the same quote attributed to Hebrews 9:27, not Revelation. Details.

Edited, Sep 8th 2011 9:33am by LockeColeMA
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They should hire Sarah McLachlan and do those half hour (they sure feel like they last half an hour ...) ASPCA commercials for this.
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I think they should have gone with a more subtle mind-control type message that didn't use the word 'ban'.

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Just my opinion, eh. That's why posts are made yes?

Yep, and I'm just being antagonistic because I'm an Annoying *** (TM) Smiley: grin

Edit: Actually, I think the billboard I see has the same quote attributed to Hebrews 9:27, not Revelation. Details.

Edited, Sep 8th 2011 9:33am by LockeColeMA
Yes, you're just being antagonistic, or contrary perhaps. Smiley: grin.

Others, probably the op are rating me down. The games you kids play. Smiley: disappointed
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As someone who is a member of a group which is targeted with hateful actions via organized religion, I applaud any attempt to wake people out of their opiate stupor.
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Westboro Baptist Church?
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Westboro Baptist Church?

Gonna guess Planned Parenthood.
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As someone who is a member of a group which is targeted with hateful actions via organized religion, I applaud any attempt to wake people out of their opiate stupor.

Smiley: lol As long as the 'so-called' commercials are anti-religion then they're all good eh?

These commercials don't preach tolerance. They don't suggest group hugs. We're not all special in our own special ways here. These commercials are every bit as hateful and intolerant of religions as religions are of other belief systems.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Westboro Baptist Church?

Gonna guess Planned Parenthood.


lolgaxe wins the quiz!

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These commercials don't preach tolerance. They don't suggest group hugs. We're not all special in our own special ways here. These commercials are every bit as hateful and intolerant of religions as religions are of other belief systems.


Um, did you watch the commercials? I don't see anything hateful here.

What part was hateful? The part where they talked about the history of bad ideas? The part in the other one where they (rightly) pointed out religion is a source of hatred and conflict?

I didn't see anything hateful in these commercials so perhaps you could enlighten me.

Edited, Sep 8th 2011 10:44am by Olorinus
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LockeColeMA wrote:
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Westboro Baptist Church?

Gonna guess Planned Parenthood.
Nah, something else altogether, as Olurinus is Canadian.


Edit: I'm wrong. Shocking, I know.


Edited, Sep 8th 2011 2:33pm by Uglysasquatch
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Well, in general just churches who propagate *** hate. I could have named some but they wouldn't mean anything to people here. Westboro works.
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Elinda wrote:
It's funny that an advertising show is having a contest for ads whose purpose is to convince (who?) to ban free-thinking.

Is the show always this stupid, or is dissing religion simply the 'in' thing to do these days?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole thing supposed to be facetious? Or rather, just a design exercise? I was mostly only listening to the audio, so maybe I got the wrong impression, but it seemed like the ideas that the teams were tasked with pitching were deliberately bad.

They used to give us critical thinking design exercises like that in architecture studio. "Design a house without walls." "Design a city without people." Things like that.

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Billboards I pass frequently:

GIANT YELLOW BILLBOARD - One side says "Jesus" the other side says "Coming soon!" This one ****** me off the most, because it's been there for over a decade. I think it's owned by the car dealership whose property it sits on.

All those "Witty quote here - God" billboards. All of them. All along the same 30 mile stretch of road. Argh.

Hundreds of billboards advertising churches, a few of them with warnings to the heathen college students, but most of them rather inoccuously advertising the church or Christianity in general.

I can't recall ever seeing an advertisement for the town's mosque or synagogues.
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They used to give us critical thinking design exercises like that in architecture studio. "Design a house without walls." "Design a city without people." Things like that.

Those actually sound pretty fun. I'd think a house without walls could be a silo or dome (by walls did you mean square walls? By house, could it include things like a boat or a dumpster?), and a city without people is really easy: termite mounds and underground superstructures.

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GIANT YELLOW BILLBOARD - One side says "Jesus" the other side says "Coming soon!" This one ****** me off the most, because it's been there for over a decade. I think it's owned by the car dealership whose property it sits on.

All those "Witty quote here - God" billboards. All of them. All along the same 30 mile stretch of road. Argh.


Yup, we have a ton of those here in FL too. About a 1/3 split between "Believe in God," "Abortion is murder" and local advertisements.
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Gonna guess Planned Parenthood.

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LockeColeMA wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Westboro Baptist Church?

Gonna guess Planned Parenthood.


lolgaxe wins the quiz!

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These commercials don't preach tolerance. They don't suggest group hugs. We're not all special in our own special ways here. These commercials are every bit as hateful and intolerant of religions as religions are of other belief systems.


Um, did you watch the commercials? I don't see anything hateful here.

What part was hateful? The part where they talked about the history of bad ideas? The part in the other one where they (rightly) pointed out religion is a source of hatred and conflict?

I didn't see anything hateful in these commercials so perhaps you could enlighten me.

Edited, Sep 8th 2011 10:44am by Olorinus
The first one wasn't so bad. However merely suggesting religion is a bad idea and should be 'banned' is pretty intolerant. The second one though, accuses religion (in general) of indoctrination, twisting messages, and calls it the major cause of conflict. Sounds pretty intolerant and hateful to me.
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Lucky. Every day I pass by this billboard:
after you die


It's pretty inoffensive, but I bet it would **** off a hardcore atheist. Hence why I would have no problem believing an atheist group would fund a commercial like those on here. I don't think they'll work necessarily, but when people define themselves by a specific belief, they tend to let reason go out the window.


I have no problem believing that an atheist group would fund such a commercial as well. I think what Elinda is getting at though is that there's a huge difference between expressing your own beliefs, which others may not agree with, and advocating for the banning of beliefs which you don't agree with.

One is an expression of free speech. The other is an advocation of infringement of free speech. It shouldn't matter which sides beliefs one happens to agree with to see that difference.
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One is an expression of free speech. The other is an advocation of infringement of free speech. It shouldn't matter which sides beliefs one happens to agree with to see that difference.


This is true; I did not read her statement this way (more that she was asking who would pay for commercials like these).
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My wife told me about a billboard in the Lincoln tunnel last year. Something about the three Wise Men and the manger scene, and the caption on it was something along the lines of "It's a myth. This season celebrate reason." I wish I had seen it, it sounds like an amusing waste of money, equal to any pro-religious billboard.
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Have to wonder what kind of return on investment these religious billboards get that makes them seem worth it. Haven't we all heard about God already? Smiley: confused
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