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#1 Sep 02 2011 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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The federal agency that oversees the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is set to file suits against more than a dozen big banks, accusing them of misrepresenting the quality of mortgage securities they assembled and sold at the height of the housing bubble, and seeking billions of dollars in compensation.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency suits, which are expected to be filed in the coming days in federal court, are aimed at Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank, among others, according to three individuals briefed on the matter.

The suits stem from subpoenas the finance agency issued to banks a year ago. If the case is not filed Friday, they said, it will come Tuesday, shortly before a deadline expires for the housing agency to file claims.

The suits will argue the banks, which assembled the mortgages and marketed them as securities to investors, failed to perform the due diligence required under securities law and missed evidence that borrowers’ incomes were inflated or falsified. When many borrowers were unable to pay their mortgages, the securities backed by the mortgages quickly lost value.


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While I agree it's the right thing to do, I can't imagine the economy will be improved by it.

And of COURSE it will be Obama's fault Smiley: nod
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So... let's sue the banks, bankrupt them and then have to bail them out again by lending them the money they owe us? Is the US Government a front for the mafia?
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The federal agency that oversees the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is set to file suits against more than a dozen big banks...

...but Fannie and Freddie? They're fine! No reason to worry!
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So... let's sue the banks, bankrupt them and then have to bail them out again by lending them the money they owe us? Is the US Government a front for the mafia?
Mafia operations make more sense.
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So... let's sue the banks, bankrupt them and then have to bail them out again ..
Then to teach the government a lesson they'll further hoard their monies, raise the fees (yet again) for transactions and give their CEOs even more obscene bonuses.

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Usually the first place I look for money I lost is in my couch, I don't go suing people who can only pay me with money...that I gave them.
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I'm sure it's just a show to make us common people believe they're holding the banks responsible.

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So what will this achieve? I mean other the flashing something shiny in front of the american populous? The economy is fake. Debt will never go away because all paper money is bought from the FED. All bank notes(legal tender)is based on debt. If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.
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If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.


Oddly enough, those pieces of paper paid for a sub for lunch today. Heh, suckers; the folks in the cafeteria thought they had value!

We all know the only real stuff of value is in the digits that show up in your bank account Smiley: nod
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If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.


Oddly enough, those pieces of paper paid for a sub for lunch today. Heh, suckers; the folks in the cafeteria thought they had value!

We all know the only real stuff of value is in the digits that show up in your bank account Smiley: nod


Yes yes a valid counter. The point I'm trying to make is that an economy backed by nothing is just that. Nothing. Imagine a world without money.
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If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.


Oddly enough, those pieces of paper paid for a sub for lunch today. Heh, suckers; the folks in the cafeteria thought they had value!

We all know the only real stuff of value is in the digits that show up in your bank account Smiley: nod


Yes yes a valid counter. The point I'm trying to make is that an economy backed by nothing is just that. Nothing. Imagine a world without money.


I know the point. It's useful for theory, but impractical in the real world (you know, short of the total collapse of all modern society).

Granted, said collapse could happen, but so could a zombie apocalypse. Interestingly, a zombie apocalypse would probably trigger a collapse, so I'm putting my money (pun intended) on zombie research.
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Peimei wrote:
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If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.


Oddly enough, those pieces of paper paid for a sub for lunch today. Heh, suckers; the folks in the cafeteria thought they had value!

We all know the only real stuff of value is in the digits that show up in your bank account Smiley: nod


Yes yes a valid counter. The point I'm trying to make is that an economy backed by nothing is just that. Nothing. Imagine a world without money.


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If you honestly think those pieces of paper and hunks of metal in your pocket have ANY value at all you are living in a dreamland.

We could use hunks of pretty yellow metal that have dubious use aside from being pretty.

Of course, the value of those is ironically measured in pieces of paper.
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We could use hunks of pretty yellow metal that have dubious use aside from being pretty.
I have my doubts of the worth of currency created with yellowcake uranium. Smiley: dubious
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The federal agency that oversees the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is set to file suits against more than a dozen big banks...

...but Fannie and Freddie? They're fine! No reason to worry!


Yeah. Crazy time!

It's a nutty-stupid suit to begin with, but it's even nuttier given the exclusion of the prime players. The banks, while perhaps acting foolishly, are "guilty" to about the same degree that the guy who signs up for a ponzi scheme and then losses tons of money is. Let's just ignore the folks who set the **** regulations which created the conditions those banks acted on in the first place! Wow... It's like a kid on the playground pointing fingers at the other guy first and thinking that no one will learn the truth.
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Granted, said collapse could happen, but so could a zombie apocalypse. Interestingly, a zombie apocalypse would probably trigger a collapse, so I'm putting my money (pun intended) on zombie research.

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My understanding is that it's highly coveted in Iraq.
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I have my doubts of the worth of currency created with yellowcake uranium. Smiley: dubious

My understanding is that it's highly coveted in Iraq.

I thought they had a stockpile already?
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Good for the The Federal Housing Finance Agency, as the SEC is too busy destroying documents & promoting it's investigators to posh jobs in banking to do anything about it.

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Bout **** time.

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You realize that the FED really owns these banks, right? /facepalm
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Bout **** time.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2011 9:00am by catwho


You realize that the FED really owns these banks, right? /facepalm

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Bout **** time.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2011 9:00am by catwho


You realize that the FED really owns these banks, right? /facepalm

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I thought the 'FED' owns the banks comment was a bit Smiley: tinfoilhat ish, so I used the 'wtf guy' meme.

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I thought the 'FED' owns the banks comment was a bit Smiley: tinfoilhat ish, so I used the 'wtf guy' meme.

Did I miss something?


Only that you're not very educated to know that the FED owns these banks in the first place. You also probably don't know that the FED has replaced the gold standard since Nixon's era and that essentially all money is worth less than tissue paper. Nor do you realize that gas really hasn't gone up in recent years, only that our dollar has lose value which in turn causes an identical effect. It amazes me how surprised people seem to get which logically explains how they get away with it, very few people care enough to do the research. Shame on you for being lazy.
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Only that you're not very educated to know that the FED owns these banks in the first place
These banks are traded on the stock exchange. While the FED could do plenty to squash any one of them, they don't own them.

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Nor do you realize that gas really hasn't gone up in recent years, only that our dollar has lose value which in turn causes an identical effect
Yes, the loss of value of the dollar should create inflation in oil much more than any other commodity even when we know that the emerging markets are screaming for energy, too. Makes total sense.
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These banks are traded on the stock exchange. While the FED could do plenty to squash any one of them, they don't own them.


This is a tricky situation so I'll explain what I meant. There are 2 theories that could apply to almost every single one of these banks. Either A) the bank has a controlling interest by those that work/are connected to the FED or B) By "own", I mean control those that actually own the banks because to go against the FED(stronger than the mafia) is suicide. The FED owns so many banks and runs them as dummy corporations with these bank CEO's working for their interests. I wish the FED was just an extension of the government, but it's much worse than that. I'll tell you another thing. Every time the the government bails out a corporation, that company is controlled by the FED at the highest levels if it wasn't already. There lies the problem and the reason why bailouts don't work.

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Yes, the loss of value of the dollar should create inflation in oil much more than any other commodity even when we know that the emerging markets are screaming for energy, too. Makes total sense.


Good this means you won't **** at the gas prices, but at the FED that just screwed you.
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I thought the 'FED' owns the banks comment was a bit Smiley: tinfoilhat ish, so I used the 'wtf guy' meme.

Did I miss something?


Only that you're not very educated to know that the FED owns these banks in the first place. You also probably don't know that the FED has replaced the gold standard since Nixon's era and that essentially all money is worth less than tissue paper. Nor do you realize that gas really hasn't gone up in recent years, only that our dollar has lose value which in turn causes an identical effect. It amazes me how surprised people seem to get which logically explains how they get away with it, very few people care enough to do the research. Shame on you for being lazy.

In the age of electronics, tissue paper is actually worth more than stock writing paper - I wouldn't want to blow my nose or wipe my **** with that stuff.

And what does FED stand for, anyways? I haven't come across that before.
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LOL So you either can't comprehend or don't believe what I wrote. Do some research and you'll find these answers. Ask yourself a simple question, why are things getting worse? It's funny most people that take my challenge often get more **** off at the system than I am now. ;P

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And what does FED stand for, anyways? I haven't come across that before.


The FED is short for Federal Reserve System. It's the bankers that control the value of our dollar currency and print more money. It's a private org that is controlled by the super rich. For example, the debt ceiling caused the FED to print more money which in turn makes us ALL get a decrease in pay because more bills=inflation=less value for your money.

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Feel free to conjure up some links yourself, zorro, instead of spouting off crazy talk and expecting everyone just dive into google.
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Feel free to conjure up some links yourself, zorro, instead of spouting off crazy talk and expecting everyone just dive into google.


The knowledge you need to find isn't located on Google. At least any accounts of it reported don't have the credibility required to appease you. No you have to dig much further than that. I'm just glad you didn't bring up Wiki. It's not crazy talk, it's all common sense stuff that's there for anyone to find in black and white. The reason why it's not common knowledge is because the media is bought off.
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Hey, shadowedge, you clearly have a very deep and broad spectrum misunderstandings of how finance actually works. There are plenty of problems with the sector, but not the problems you've listed. If you'd like, I can go into more detail, but it would a prett long and annoying post.

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I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


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Feel free to conjure up some links yourself, zorro, instead of spouting off crazy talk and expecting everyone just dive into google.


The knowledge you need to find isn't located on Google. At least any accounts of it reported don't have the credibility required to appease you. No you have to dig much further than that. I'm just glad you didn't bring up Wiki. It's not crazy talk, it's all common sense stuff that's there for anyone to find in black and white. The reason why it's not common knowledge is because the media is bought off.


No, you need to provide that research you so deeply dug up. If you really want to enlighten people you'll provide the material. Otherwise your crazy is just showing.
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On the off chance that shadowedge might be right, I've set up a fake identity and will shortly be going undercover at Bank of America. Somebody please physically print this post out just in case some black helicopters blow up the zam servers.

My job as an HP field technician for BoA is really just a front; I'm a special agent protecting the Big Banks and FED from infiltrators like you. Sorry, it's nothing personal.

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I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


Edited, Sep 5th 2011 2:19am by Poldaran


I try not to associate with people that have wood for sheep.
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I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


Forget the settlement, this is part of the trading sequence for Biggoron's Sword.
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I have a pig. Will you trade for a bushel of apples?
I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


Edited, Sep 5th 2011 2:19am by Poldaran


It's all about wheat and ore.
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I have a pig. Will you trade for a bushel of apples?
I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


Edited, Sep 5th 2011 2:19am by Poldaran


I try not to associate with people that have wood for sheep.
I have a sheep costume for the exact same reason.
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I've got sheep I'm trading for wheat, and I'm sure someone has wood for sheep if you were planning on building a settlement.


Edited, Sep 5th 2011 2:19am by Poldaran


I try not to associate with people that have wood for sheep.
I have a sheep costume for the exact same reason.


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Admiral Lubriderm wrote:
Feel free to conjure up some links yourself, zorro, instead of spouting off crazy talk and expecting everyone just dive into google.


One reason why I prefer you to do your own research is because it takes a long time to explain everything. On top of that, only bits and pieces of the truth ever come out at a time and it's up to the researcher to follow though. I'd like to assume that there are some college educated people that know the value of real research. However, I've found a clip that exposes some of FED's corruptness that you can follow though using your own research. I wish I was crazy, but I'm just dedicated to getting the truth out there. This country is bankrupt and people don't see it. Maybe this video will help change a few minds. Regardless of your opinion, I promise you that if you dig for more info, you'll find it. The FED is so arrogant they leave a lot of clues laying around.





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