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#27 Aug 22 2011 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
I'm not sure if ThiefX is actually capable of winning an argument, but I don't think he's come closer than this.

Obviously, more people = more jobs as a general rule, but this:

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Every one new person in the nation (like an immigrant, legal or illegal) creates one new job in the nation. So illegal immigrants are job neutral. There may be other problems with additional population, and not having control of your border, but illegals "stealing our jobs" aren't one of them.


is a pretty bold and unsubstantiated claim, especially seeing as there are far more people than people of working age and ability, and yet still there are not ehnough jobs for people able to work.

I mean, damn, I'm not anti-immigration in any way, but this argument is abysmal. The number of jobs is determiend by a very complex mixture of social, technological and economic factors. It is not a one to one relationship with the population.

I'm talking about Ari's post, here, not Jophiel's or iddigory's.


Going to agree with this 100%. It's a pretty weak argument. As Kavekk says, there are a host of factors involved with employment. It just seems unlikely at its face that simply adding more people will magically add more jobs. And yes, I get the demand side argument you also made, but that's just not going to be enough to ensure that 1 to 1 job to immigrant relationship, especially as Joph correctly points out to ensure one for the immigrant where he/she is. If that were the case, why do we bother restricting immigration at all? In fact, one can argue that the reason immigration does not outstrip job growth is because we limit immigration.


Illegal immigration absolutely undermines that. It also conceals the real effects of illegal immigration on employment since quite often both the employment and lack of employment are "off the books". There are legitimate arguments to make with regards to lower cost labor helping producers earn more profits (and thus expand faster and hire more people down the line) and decreasing the costs of the resulting goods. But I think that making such a broad assumption is well outside of the normal scope of an immigration discussion.


You're free to bring it in-scope if you wish (that appears to be your objective), but then you really need to have some kind of evidence and a better argument than simply insisting that it's true.
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#28 Aug 22 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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You're free to bring it in-scope if you wish (that appears to be your objective), but then you really need to have some kind of evidence and a better argument than simply insisting that it's true.


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#29 Aug 22 2011 at 4:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Am I the only one that saw what Al was getting at?
#30 Aug 22 2011 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'd hope so, they are your knickers after all.
#31 Aug 22 2011 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the sympathy rate up. But in the end I haven't cited properly on what is a very important issue. And I urge people to look out for studies for themselves. Lies, damned lies, and statistics...
#32 Aug 26 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I like how the same person who complains about illegal immigrants go ahead and order stuff to an mexican who works in mcDonalds or in a gas station or in any other type of job which no american want to work on.
That and the fact that people dont buy things from companies that only work with american citizens. And complain when these companies dont have the same price of companies that employ illegal immigrants...hypocrisy, go!
#33 Aug 26 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like how the same person who complains about illegal immigrants go ahead and order stuff to an mexican who works in mcDonalds or in a gas station or in any other type of job which no american want to work on.
That and the fact that people dont buy things from companies that only work with american citizens. And complain when these companies dont have the same price of companies that employ illegal immigrants...hypocrisy, go!


Wait...

So if you complain about illegal immigrants, you aren't allowed to eat at McDonald's or buy gas...? Is every non-white, non-English speaking person an illegal immigrant? Smiley: confused

#34 Aug 26 2011 at 12:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Is every non-white, non-English speaking person an illegal immigrant? Smiley: confused


Yes.
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This thread reminds me I want to read the Ultimate Marvel line, and at the same time don't.
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#36 Aug 29 2011 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Brisin wrote:
I like how the same person who complains about illegal immigrants go ahead and order stuff to an mexican who works in mcDonalds or in a gas station or in any other type of job which no american want to work on.
That and the fact that people dont buy things from companies that only work with american citizens. And complain when these companies dont have the same price of companies that employ illegal immigrants...hypocrisy, go!


Wait...

So if you complain about illegal immigrants, you aren't allowed to eat at McDonald's or buy gas...? Is every non-white, non-English speaking person an illegal immigrant? Smiley: confused



At least all of them, if not more.

Edited, Aug 29th 2011 2:03am by Timelordwho
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