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At least the blaxican Spider-man was a U.S. citizen. Not content to just harvest lettuce and mow lawns, illegal immigrants--otherwise known as illigremants--are now taking our jobs in the community hero sector. This also has disastrous effects throughout the community. Think, if our children aren't being raped and murdered, what is going to happen to the size of the police force?

The only redeeming part of this story is knowing that conservatives will stay true to their values and rally behind deporting this criminal rather selling out their principles to avoid the PR fiasco the liberal MSM would inevitably kick up.

I blame people like Varus.

Did they beat someone to death with their driver's licenses?

Well, ****. What do you expect? Whenever my lawn mower breaks I -have- to try to fix it myself. How else can I feed all 8 of my children?

Every one new person in the nation (like an immigrant, legal or illegal) creates one new job in the nation. So illegal immigrants are job neutral. There may be other problems with additional population, and not having control of your border, but illegals "stealing our jobs" aren't one of them.

That's actually a fairly easy concept.

Suppose you run a landscaping company. Every landscaping job you get requires both materials (if they are having you build walls or plant/fertilize) and labor.

If all of your laborers are legal, you are going to be paying them a fairly high amount of money. That means the cost of your jobs goes up, so the amount you charge your customers goes up. That leads to a decrease in amount of jobs you get, which leads to a decrease in the number of laborers you can manage. Even on top of the decreased jobs coming in, each job takes longer because you need to obey labor laws (which means shorter hours, especially since you can't afford long shifts anyway). That FURTHER decreases your profit.

Now, suppose you replace some of those jobs with illegal immigrants. Do some Americans lose jobs there? Of course. But for every American you lose, you replace them with at least two illegal workers for the same cost, and they'll work longer hours.

Now, you get more workers for your investment, and are able to take on more jobs. Furthermore, because your costs per job are lower (since illegal workers will work for less AND work longer hours), you can afford to charge customers less, you have a much higher demand for your services.

As you get more jobs, your company will grow. You will employ more and more people (which will be a mix of illegal and legal workers). In time, your company is now employing more legal workers than it would have been able to support in the other scenario.

Now, so far, we have explained a situation which is good for you as a business owner. But you need to follow all the threads into the greater market (which of course means that you need to imagine a scenario in which many businesses utilize illegal labor).

1. You completing more jobs creates a higher demand for the goods your work requires, such as fertilizer, plants, concrete, bricks, etc. These businesses are now doing better and are able to higher more employees (some of which might be illegal, but many of whom won't be). That leads to more demand on the companies they use for their supplies/services.

2. Cash flow is the best thing for the health of a market. By keeping costs low, illegal workers help to keep money moving through our economy--they keep people spending. If costs were high because all we used was American labor, we WOULD NOT have this kind of flow, and that WOULD be unhealthy. Sure, we could ship all of those jobs to China and keep our low costs. But that's still not doing anything different from illegal workers, except that we send jobs that would have been filled by Americans as well. Not to mention the fact that small businesses, like our contractor, don't get to benefit from that and would still need to use a high-price model.

3. Not all businesses will benefit from illegal workers enough to warrant the risk. For instance, a grocery store. It might certainly have SOME illegal workers (primarily to unpack shipments). But they'd largely be legal workers. But they benefit hugely from illegal workers--they get to sell cheaper products across the board (such as produce) which leads to a larger amount sold. Lower prices creates a larger customer base. A larger customer base creates the need for more workers, like cashiers. Thus, they get to create jobs for legal workers that wouldn't be there if they needed to charge $4 an apple.

As much as politicians ***** and moan about illegal immigrants, the fact remains that our economy would shatter if they were all expelled from the US.

Aripyanfar said this:



Which is why I asked her/him to explain how that is job creation. In response you said all this:



Which I guess is your way of saying "You're wrong Aripyanfar Illegal immigration does cost American jobs" which I find funny because you addressed your post to me not to him/her and never showed how illegal immigration creates jobs.

You showed how illegal immigration has a negative effect on American workers (beautifully I might add, although I don't think that was you're intention) and you did a great job of showing how illegal immigration increases profit for some companies (which I find strange because isn't it you liberals who are always ******** about the evil capitalists stealing American jobs for profit? So I would assume you guys would be the first to run out to the nearest border to protect it)but I'm still waiting for you to explain how if you take something from someone and give it to someone else how that is "creating".


BTW You also stated this :

This is just blatantly false. It is also the same argument that illegal immigrant rights group try to push off as fact in almost every debate about illegal immigration (the other lie they try to pass off is that the illegal who crosses the border just looking for a job doesn't hurt anything that he/she is just a benign entity)

The fact is a large portion of the money the illegal immigrant makes in this country is never spent in the U.S it is sent back to their country of origin. This is the reason why countries like Mexico have a vested interest in encouraging illegals to cross the border because the money they send home funds their (corrupt) Government.

The simple fact is that whatever "good" the U.S. gets from illegal immigration is far outweighed by the negative effects of that same illegal immigration.

In all seriousness and being a grown up here I find it interesting that if you mention deporting people who entered this country illegaly you are called "racists" and "mean" and etc, etc, etc but if we actually upheld our immigration laws those workers wouldn't be allowed to be used for in essence "slave" labor anymore and if you simply tweek the existing laws to allow guest workers (which most people like the idea of as long as there is strict enforcement if the laws are broken) you could help maintain small business who use unskilled labor to survive all the while protecting those same workers.

You should probably get your news from somewhere that gives it slightly more in depth and slightly less in soundbites.

The failure of the one-to-one nature of employment to population (adding more people adds the same number of jobs) message getting through to the wider community is one of the greatest information scandals of the past 60 years. Over and over people get concerned with immigration every time unemployment gets high. Governments are constantly concerned with immigration and unemployment. Various governments commission studies with startling regularity: and they all return the same result: increases in national population (whatever origin) do NOT raise OR lower unemployment numbers, and increases in national population (whatever origin) raise the number of jobs in the nation by the same number as the population increase.

I'm aware of 15 such studies, with the same results returned, commissioned over 25 years, by conservative, right leaning, progressive and left leaning governments. When asked to explain the results, the commissions speculate that the goods and services required (demanded) by the new residents average out over the community to supply an equal amount of jobs. So one woman entering the country, buying food, getting a haircut and new clothes for a job interview, renting a unit, is not going to put on one new supermarket cashier, a hairdresser, a clothing sales job and a real estate assistant. But 1000 men, women and children entering the country make for 1000 new jobs, (+/- less than 0.01%) in supermarkets/hairdressers/clothes stores/housing. Even IF most of the manufacturing has been done elsewhere.

This is partly why unemployment rates are expressed as a percentage of the population. Because the unemployment rate is much more a function of the overall economic state of a nation, and not nearly so much a function of the population state of a nation.

And yet time and again these studies just sink out of sight in the back pages of newspapers and the pages of academic journals. My suspicion is that news media KNOW that there is an often unstated, un-politically correct, idea in most of the world community that "immigrants take our jobs". And popular news organisations don't want to alienate their paying base by challenging their worldview so radically. It would have to take a 180 degree turn around in popular perception, and the mainstream is either too frightened, or too similarly ignorant, to start the task.

This is where I pull the sick card. If I was able to properly research for even short periods at a time, I would have finished my doctorate by now. Strangely, thinking takes more effort than physical movement and my mitochondria aren't playing ball. The best I can tell you is that those 15 studies are from background knowledge learned before I got so sick, which is my most reliable memory bank. I "rehearsed" the "15 studies over 25 years, by all sides of politics" in my head over the years, because illegal immigration has been a sore topic not just in Australia but in many places round the world all my life, and the fact that political parties with very widely differing ideologies kept coming up with results they obviously weren't expecting I found very telling.

I have discovered, in wanting to find old articles that I remember but now want to recover and cite (eg for my doctors) that A: I physically can't flip through papers/magazines without spiking into extreme pain, temporary paralysis, and muscular spasms, followed by several days confined to bed recovering. B: Known publication sources cannot find back articles for me when directly contacted, or need a ridiculous finder's fee. Entire university departments quoted in The Lancet/New Scientist whatever are able to disappear in the space of 5 years, and no-one can dig up the revolutionary new nicotine blood tracer test for blood volume, instead of the much more dangerous old radioactive blood tracer test for blood volume.

Google is often terrible at finding a specific article or batch of articles, I need to taxi both to AND from a library AND lay down to recover from the travel, and $150 academic magazine subscriptions to hunt down stuff doesn't appeal to my bank balance when I can't concentrate on meaningful stuff for more than 15-30 mins every 3 to 7 days.

The more compelling reasons I find against illegal immigration is that if they don't appear in statistics, the government cant' plan properly grouped and maintained services. Secondly I would guess population increase is damaging if public infrastructure does not keep up with it, which it can't if it doesn't know how much and where the population has increased. Thirdly population increases further burden the nation's environment. However, our environment is already over burdened, and we already need to substitute smarter, more efficient products. For example, CHP stations drop electricity consumption by 70% without changing out any appliances in anyone's homes. Compact fluorescents and LEDs are 20% more electricity efficient than incandescent globes or downlights. Many new whitegoods use a 5th the water or electricity of old ones. Insulating houses drop their heating/cooling bills by more than half. Do all this stuff, and a nation like Australia could double its population via immigrants (since our natural birth rate is not replacing us) while STILL dropping the total population's effect on the environment by more than half.

Not enough question marks.