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I didn't realize I was writing legislation here. Because I've a list of other revenue increases if you're demanding a complete list before any select line item can be discussed.

I also missed these complaints from you when the GOP was trying to "save money" by cutting the negligible dollar amounts of NPR and PP funding.

Well, no, you won't because the GOP doesn't have and will never have such a "plan" much less will the GOP House push for any sort of legislation. Whatever valid complaints you have about the (non)existance of a Democratic budget doesn't change that simple fact.

And another funny point. Buffet always complains that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary does. But he fails to mention that the reason he pays so little as a percentage of earnings is because the holding company he manages is specifically designed to reduce tax burden on earnings. He set it up that way. Berthshire Hathaway does not pay dividends. All gains are rolled back into the fund. The only way anyone who's invested in it earns money is if they sell off some of their assets in the fund, meaning that barring a really stupid accounting mistake, they'll pay 15%. Always.

That was a choice he made. What's funny is that the kind of monetary manipulation is what liberals usually attack big business for engaging in, yet they love Buffet. And in some bizarre twist they use his statements about how things should be to attack other companies who don't engage in those sorts of things. Most corporations do pay dividends and they do pay corporate taxes on them.

Fuck ewe?

I believe my complaint with the NPR & PP funding cut was that it was not enough and should go much deeper, including a lot of other spending done by the Federal Government.
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Well, no, you won't because the GOP doesn't have and will never have such a "plan" much less will the GOP House push for any sort of legislation. Whatever valid complaints you have about the (non)existance of a Democratic budget doesn't change that simple fact.[/quote]
Kinda like the Democrats don't have and will never have a "budget" much less will the Democrats in the house push for a budget. Whatever speculation you may have about the (non) existence of a GOP plan doesn't change the fact that the Democrats are clueless about solving our economic crisis. They'd rather be on auto-pilot.

Oh, is that the point you were trying to make? Perhaps you should have actually, you know, made it then.

You conservatives must get a GREAT deal on straw for as much of it as you guys go through.

They where not the sole solution proposed either Joph. Those two things are just the ones the Left choose to make the biggest stink over out of a very very large list of things the GOP wants to cut.

Meanwhile, the Dems are trying to sell the fairy tale that if only we allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire on the wealthiest 2% (or whatever the number is this week), all our economic problems would be solved. And you wonder why the American people don't see them as part of the solution?

Right! And no one complaining about them claimed they were the sole solution either. But advocates were talking up how great it would be to cut the budget by eliminating them without saying "Even though they're largely insignificant amounts of money".


Even more straw? Seriously? Are you guys trying to clean out the barn or something?

Edited, Aug 17th 2011 7:07pm by Jophiel

Huh? You're not making any sense Joph. Did you just seriously argue that conservatives not going out of their way to state that cuts to NPR and PP would represent insignificant amounts of money means anything? I'm sorry? I can't even follow your illogic anymore. It's like watching a crazed monkey spazzing out or something and spewing random words on the screen and hitting "post".

Let's step back here. Conservatives want to cut spending. They propose large amounts of spending cuts (initially somewhere between 60 and 100B). Included among these cuts were funding for things like NPR and PP (and a whole hell of a lot of other stuff). Strange that you aren't making hay about conservatives not talking about each of the hundreds of other on-the-table items and pointing out that they were "insignificant" cuts as well. Why is that?

So, when I go hiking, I should stop and point out that each step I take is just an insignificant portion of the total journey. Maybe I should just not take this one? Hmmm... Sounds like a great way to never make any progress at all, doesn't it?





Ok. List the things that the Dems are willing to cut spending on Joph? Where's this vaunted compromise? And I don't want a speech from Obama. I want a list of actual specific programs and dollar amounts they will cut. Can you do this? We've been wrangling for 3/4ths of a year now over spending cuts. Yet, all we get from the Dems is talk about how they're willing to compromise, but never willing to put anything at all on the table. They talk a great game, but never deliver. They'll gladly pay us cuts on tuesday for a hamburger of tax increases today though!


Where's their forward looking plan Joph? Is there one? I see them talking a lot about how if we hadn't fought two wars, or funded plan D, or cut tax rates back in 2001, we'd be in great shape. And then they call for military cuts, and ending the Bush tax cuts (but only on the rich, or so they claim!), and we're supposed to buy that this isn't just political spin? You're kidding, right? The public is oh so tired of empty promises and false/misleading claims from Democrats Joph.


But that's all we get from them. It's not a strawman to point this out.

I'm sorry that words are hard for you


Thanks for arguing my point for me?


Wait.. this is your response regarding your claim that Democrats think this single tax change would result in "all our economic problems [being] solved"?

You made the claim, back it up. Don't backpedal and start demanding that I run some asinine gauntlet for you because you're praying everyone gets confused. Show me where Democrats are making this claim you insist is true.

Edited, Aug 17th 2011 8:02pm by Jophiel

You're right. You've blown off giving cites for your information far more often in far more threads on far more topics.