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#52 Aug 08 2011 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefX wrote:
You forgot D) The money collected for the service was not handled correctly.
Do you mean public bureaucracy and politicians make bad financial decisions or commit fraud? Because humans are humans, and businesses and families seem to have a similar rate of incompetents and white collar criminals... who cycle in and out of their respective systems via the usual channels.

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You forgot E) The people or entity delivering the service have not done so in a efficient and economical way.
The "All public bureaucracies are inefficient" fallacy. So not necessarily the case. In fact, quite often government offices and programs seem to run on spit, love and unpaid overtime. And IF a public entity is inefficient, it can be 14.9% inefficient before it costs more than a private service, which has an obligation to make a 15% profit per year according to capitalist convention.

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You forget F) The service doesn't work (It doesn't solve the problem it was supposed to and/or makes the existing problem worse.
Fortunate you get to vote it out then, and write to your congresscritter and sign pettions while you wait for its death. Voting gives you more power over public processes you don't like, compared with private businesses you don't like. You'll have to get up a major public boycott to take out a private business.

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 8:05am by Aripyanfar
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#53 Aug 08 2011 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
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The government is the people, and the taxes are paid by the people. Welcome to club America. If you don't want to pay your club dues, gtfo.


You likely think it's cute to quote something Kachi said, even though it's demonstrably false, but the only way you'll likely add something intelligent to any discussion is if you actually know what you're talking about.
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#54 Aug 08 2011 at 6:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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I find it funny that Thiefx thinks that I don't pay any taxes.

Sales tax and estate taxes, plus now I have to make sure I collect tax on any jewelry I sell and give it to the state.

Nothing under the table for me as I want to be able to sell my jewellery at fairs and conventions, were the Tax man will make sure I have a State Tax Id nicely framed for all to see.
Not to mention the tax you pay on your toasted meals! As soon as Nations became Nations they needed taxes to provide national services. Even City-States and Feudal garrisoned villages had to tax in some form in order to be coherent and peaceable. Only an isolate village can exist without taxes.

And the first form of taxes was not income tax. The first forms were unpaid labour and tithes of food. The second were taxes on imports and luxury goods. Centuries of taxes and tariffs on various goods and services ensued before WW1 ushered in organised income taxation. So buying anything was to participate in tax roulette.
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#55 Aug 08 2011 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
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The government is the people, and the taxes are paid by the people. Welcome to club America. If you don't want to pay your club dues, gtfo.


You likely think it's cute to quote something Kachi said, even though it's demonstrably false, but the only way you'll likely add something intelligent to any discussion is if you actually know what you're talking about.

Now I'm quoting you to emphasise how demonstrably false you are about Kachi's truism.
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#56 Aug 08 2011 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Where do taxes come from?


The citizens, businesses and corporations of the nation implementing the taxation. The common mistake that people make is that taxes are bad. This mistake is most often made by those who have more than they need, in the meantime, those who have less than what they need, seem to understand this quite well, and for the most part, don't mind.

Taxes tend to be collected via a small deduction based on a specific percentage from one's paycheck, as well as via a sales tax, a tax on the cost of one's home, and all money collected by an individual or business, among other things. This includes(or at least should include by any logical standards) lottery winnings, inheritances, etc, etc.

Often, those who have more than they need will put their money in offshore funds to prevent having to pay taxes, and then proceed to complain about the state of health care, education, etc, as though they ever put any money towards those things.

I could go on, but you'd never understand anyway.

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Who is paying the taxes.


Everybody, which is as it should be. Those who make more should pay more, those who make less should pay less. Sales tax should be at a set, unchanging rate that everyone, regardless of status, earnings, etc, makes. All inheritances should be taxed, same with lottery winnings.

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The government can force you to pay for services you didn't want nor use.


The price of living in a country. ******* deal with it. ****, if you don't want to pay the taxes, don't. See where that gets you. I for one, think anyone who finds a way out of paying taxes is as much of a freeloader as one who abuses welfare. Those who constantly ***** about it are just as bad.

Taxes are a necessity, and a fact of life. Suck it up.
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#57 Aug 08 2011 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefX never really did get to a point or anything. Even if you're posting out of half-assed intellectual ************* the idea is to finish, not to give up halfway through and wander off.
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#58 Aug 08 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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ThiefX wrote:

So right. It's a comfort to me to know that because I get taxed every time I want my sandwich toasted at subway (Yes CA has a tax for that)that's the reason we aren't all living in mud huts.


#$!%(?#*&...?!?!? Your woman should be making your sandwich, toasted, grilled, or raw, however you best like it.
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#59 Aug 08 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Default
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ThiefX never really did get to a point or anything. Even if you're posting out of half-assed intellectual ************* the idea is to finish, not to give up halfway through and wander off.


I finished, he's just not worth the effort of trying to go longer. Sort of like a cheap prostitute. I got what I wanted, he can go back out to the corner now.
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#60 Aug 08 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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those who have less than what they need, seem to understand this quite well, and for the most part, don't mind.
Of course they don't mind, they're receiving the benefits, directly.
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#61 Aug 08 2011 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course they don't mind, they're receiving the benefits, directly.


I was not referring to those on government programs. Of course those who are on welfare, etc, don't mind. I was referring to those supporting themselves on their own receiving less than what is necessary to live in a manner that would be considered comfortable. Although I suppose in a month I will fall into the other group, what with the financial aid for school, but I do not intend to collect any government money longer than is required, and I still intend to pay the normal amount of taxes, despite the fact that I will have the option to pay less while I'm in school.
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#63 Aug 08 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Starting the day with a healthy dose of not actually reading and posting anyway?
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#64 Aug 08 2011 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have found that the phrase "you liberals" never actually applies to anyone here.
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#65 Aug 08 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Kachi wrote:
The government is the people, and the taxes are paid by the people. Welcome to club America. If you don't want to pay your club dues, gtfo.


You likely think it's cute to quote something Kachi said, even though it's demonstrably false, but the only way you'll likely add something intelligent to any discussion is if you actually know what you're talking about.

Now I'm quoting you to emphasise how demonstrably false you are about Kachi's truism.

Nearly 50% of citizens in this country pay no federal income tax, or club dues, so clearly the taxes are not paid by "the people", rather a small subset deemed affluent enough to over-burden, thus making Kachi's pithy remark false.

Whatta you got, you dozy c'unt?
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#66 Aug 08 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Nearly 50% of citizens in this country pay no federal income tax

The OP wasn't specific to federal income tax. Said people are paying state income taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, property taxes (directly or indirectly) and whatever other various taxes, tolls & tariffs that may befall them.

Edit: I forgot the dreaded "toasted sub tax".

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 12:39pm by Jophiel
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#67 Aug 08 2011 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
I have found that the phrase "you liberals" never actually applies to anyone here.
It has all the derogatory offensive punch of calling someone an elitist about a video game.
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#68 Aug 08 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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MoebiusLord wrote:

Nearly 50% of citizens in this country pay no federal income tax,
Kinda makes ya wonder why the tea party has their panties in such a bundle, eh?
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#69 Aug 08 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:

Nearly 50% of citizens in this country pay no federal income tax,
Kinda makes ya wonder why the tea party has their panties in such a bundle, eh?


Because it's unfair? And it's dangerous in a democracy, where everyone's vote is equal, to have taxes which are not equal?
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#70 Aug 08 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:

Nearly 50% of citizens in this country pay no federal income tax,
Kinda makes ya wonder why the tea party has their panties in such a bundle, eh?


Because it's unfair? And it's dangerous in a democracy, where everyone's vote is equal, to have taxes which are not equal?

Funny, I've never heard the Tea Party platform rally about equality.
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#71 Aug 08 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless they change something I won't be paying any federal taxes next year thanks to the child tax credit. I'm all for some kind of tax reform, but finding a way to remove that without losing your elected position seems like quite the task.
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#72ThiefX, Posted: Aug 08 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WOW you have the standard liberal response down pat.
#73 Aug 08 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefX wrote:
Joph we have discussed this.

We discussed why you avoided giving a real response all last night?

Oh, that's right... because you never had one. Just your limp dick in your hand. Smiley: laugh
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#74 Aug 08 2011 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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"I have a life outside of here" is a pretty stock remark. Especially when you have to declare it twice in the span of one post.
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#75 Aug 08 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'M TYPING AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT NOT THE ONE YOU WANTED BECAUSE I HAVE A LIFE AND CAN'T BE TYPING ANSWERS BECAUSE OF THIS LIFE I HAVE THAT'S STOPPING ME FROM TYPING THIS RIGHT NOW!!!
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#76ThiefX, Posted: Aug 08 2011 at 3:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really Joph. This is what you have?
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