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#1 Aug 07 2011 at 7:57 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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I have a question for you liberals in here. I have asked this question in the real world (you know that place that most of you libs in here avoid because you don't understand why your idiotic beliefs and ideas don't work there)more than once and I am always amused, fascinated and simply terrified by the the answers I get to this very basic question.

Where do taxes come from?
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Hey ThiefX, I'd just like to mention that you're a moron and it would best for the rest of the world if you died, preferably soon. Also, if you can't manage to die in hasty fashion don't expect anyone to bother answering your dumbass question with any sort of serious answer.
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Figures you filthy liberals can't answer a serious question about the economy seriously on a video game forum. Serious.

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 10:11pm by lolgaxe
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Joking aside, I'm curious what types of answers were expected and what acceptable (or correct) answers would have been to Thiefx.

To truthfully answer his question: anything, taxes can come from anything. You can tax income, assets, people, behaviors, imaginary concepts, and so on. It's a very open ended question.
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Joking aside, I'm curious what types of answers were expected and what acceptable (or correct) answers would have been to Thiefx.

To truthfully answer his question: anything, taxes can come from anything. You can tax income, assets, people, behaviors, imaginary concepts, and so on. It's a very open ended question.


Rather taxing to think of all the things that can be taxed so we can live as civilize human beings.

I wonder if Thiefx ever play a God Game where you had to balance tax rate with your city or country's growth, in order to win.
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#8ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 8:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're 100% correct. The Government taxes all of those things.
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This is not a trick question, I am asking where do all of those taxes come from? Not who collects them or who thinks them up but where do they come from?

Then I believe I've answered your question with "anything, taxes can come from anything. You can tax income, assets, people, behaviors, imaginary concepts, and so on. It's a very open ended question."

Taxes come from numerous sources. If you narrow the bounds of your question then I can give you a narrower response.
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Where do taxes come from?

My paycheck.
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#11ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 8:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So right. It's a comfort to me to know that because I get taxed every time I want my sandwich toasted at subway (Yes CA has a tax for that)that's the reason we aren't all living in mud huts.
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Rather taxing to think of all the things that can be taxed so we can live as civilize human beings.


So right. It's a comfort to me to know that because I get taxed every time I want my sandwich toasted at subway (Yes CA has a tax for that)that's the reason we aren't all living in mud huts.


Michigan has tax on all prepared food. Whether or not that sub at Subway is toasted, you still pay tax for purchasing it. It's not the food you are taxed for, but the "service" (but it's applied to the whole bill, not just a portion for service).

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 11:13pm by TirithRR
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They come from an agreement made between the public and its government. We give the government money, and it does stuff for us.
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It's a CA tax on hot prepared foods. Toasting the sandwich makes it a hot food. So it's not explicitly a tax on toasting subs, it's the same tax you pay for a burger or a plate of spaghetti or a steak dinner.
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It's a CA tax on hot prepared foods. Toasting the sandwich makes it a hot food. So it's not explicitly a tax on toasting subs, it's the same tax you pay for a burger or a plate of spaghetti or a steak dinner.


But it's more outrageous if he makes it sound like a crazy Cali-liberal "toasting tax". It's boring if it's just revealed to be a common application of a note in sales tax laws around the country to make food purchases tax free, yet foods purchased from restaurants taxable.

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 11:30pm by TirithRR
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Rather taxing to think of all the things that can be taxed so we can live as civilize human beings.


So right. It's a comfort to me to know that because I get taxed every time I want my sandwich toasted at subway (Yes CA has a tax for that)that's the reason we aren't all living in mud huts.


Would you prefer we didn't have health inspectors, sanitation codes and a court system that punished places for selling food that could cause sickness and associated personal injury?
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Have you seen the tax rate on mud huts these days? It's scandalous!
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#18ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 9:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're right, pointing out the government taxing someone more money because their food is hot is only "outrageous" if I try to make it seem like a crazy CA liberal thing..........
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Once again, I realize you have multiple people to respond to, but I'd still like a response to "I'm curious what types of answers were expected and what acceptable (or correct) answers would have been to Thiefx."

Do you still require further responses from me before you answer my two questions?

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 12:37am by Allegory
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You're right, pointing out the government taxing someone more money because their food is hot is only "outrageous"...

And yet you took the time to let us know "CA has a tax to toast my sub!! Oh noes!!" Smiley: laugh
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You should be punished for eating **** like Subway.

Personally, I like Subway Smiley: glare
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#23ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 9:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who is paying the taxes.
#24ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 9:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes I did I guess you couldn't understand the concept of sarcasm............
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Who is paying the taxes.

People. Various legal entities can also pay taxes, but ultimately they are formed by people.
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Who is paying the taxes.

People. Various legal entities can also pay taxes, but ultimately they are formed by people.


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#27ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 10:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Correct.
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They come from an agreement made between the public and its government. We give the government money, and it does stuff for us.


This is the correct answer.

The people supply the revenue, the government provides the services they demand. Works essentially like any other service you've ever paid for.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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ThiefX wrote:
So if a politician or a Government either local, state or federal says they need to raise taxes what does that mean?

They might attempt to do so? You know you can never take a politician at their word!

Edited to make clear who I was responding to.

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 11:26pm by Allegory
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So if a politician or a Government either local, state or federal says they need to raise taxes what does that mean?


It means either:
A) They're going to expand services.
B) They haven't been given enough money to pay for the services they've delivered.
or C) The cost of providing the services has increased.

Can you abandon this retarded rhetoric now? Yes, taxes come from the people. SO DOES GOVERNMENT. The government is the people, and the taxes are paid by the people. Welcome to club America. If you don't want to pay your club dues, gtfo.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#31ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 10:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Except it doesn't work exactly like other services.
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in before thiefx tells us how taxes should really be, and the ensuing lulz.
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And yet you took the time to let us know "CA has a tax to toast my sub!! Oh noes!!"
Yes I did I guess you couldn't understand the concept of sarcasm............

I don't think you know what sarcasm means. Or else you mean you weren't REALLY upset about CA taxes on hot food.
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#34ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 10:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Couldn't agree more.
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Who is paying the taxes.

I already said. My paycheck. Try and keep up.

See, I work a regular job, get paid and the total withheld on my W-2's > Amount I get back in refund (not even counting sales taxes, property taxes, vehicle taxes, etc etc). I pay taxes. So listening to idiots like you whine and cry about how liberals don't "get it" or whatever rolls right off of me except for the laughs I have at your expense.

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 11:49pm by Jophiel
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You see I was sarcastically explaining that the government taking more of my money for hot food has nothing to do with "living like civilized human beings and then I sarcastically pointed out that none of you seem to think it's "outrageous" the government thinks you should give them more of you're money if you want you chicken&bacon ranch foot long warm......

So you still don't understand sarcasm. Got it.
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#38ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 11:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I always find in humorous when people like you Joph scream idiot at people who point out to you that the government is taxing you on everything you just mention above and countless other things (Like getting your sandwich toasted at subway)and that very same government always says they "need more" but you don't have to pay it "someone else" will.
#39ThiefX, Posted: Aug 07 2011 at 11:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Circular argument is a go.......
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You forgot D) The money collected for the service was not handled correctly.

You forgot E) The people or entity delivering the service have not done so in a efficient and economical way.

You forget F) The service doesn't work (It doesn't solve the problem it was supposed to and/or makes the existing problem worse.


Who's job is it to ensure that these things are done correctly? Public officials.

Who's Job is it to ensure that these folks are doing their job? The Public, via elections.

If you're arguing for a more streamlined system of government, where the public can more easily micromanage various aspects of our government, so that we can more easily control those performing those public functions, I could get behind some sort of cohesive plan for that.

If you're arguing that taxes are ruining the country, you'll be happy to know we have one of the lowest tax rates of the developed world, so low, in fact, that we don't really pay our bills, just shunt them down the road. Our tax rate is the second lowest among those countries, behind Sweden, and they have a functioning economy.
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You see I was sarcastically explaining that the government taking more of my money for hot food has nothing to do with "living like civilized human beings and then I sarcastically pointed out that none of you seem to think it's "outrageous" the government thinks you should give them more of you're money if you want you chicken&bacon ranch foot long warm......

So you still don't understand sarcasm. Got it.


Circular argument is a go.......

You don't seem to understand what a "circular argument" is either.
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See, I work a regular job, get paid and the total withheld on my W-2's > Amount I get back in refund (not even counting sales taxes, property taxes, vehicle taxes, etc etc). I pay taxes. So listening to idiots like you whine and cry about how liberals don't "get it" or whatever rolls right off of me except for the laughs I have at your expense.


I always find in humorous when people like you Joph scream idiot at people who point out to you that the government is taxing you on everything you just mention above and countless other things (Like getting your sandwich toasted at subway)and that very same government always says they "need more" but you don't have to pay it "someone else" will.

I really don't think you guys do get it.


Are you blind? In the very sentence you quoted, he said he pays taxes.

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I always find in humorous when people like you Joph scream idiot at people who point out to you that the government is taxing you on everything you just mention above and countless other things (Like getting your sandwich toasted at subway)and that very same government always says they "need more" but you don't have to pay it "someone else" will.

Once more, maybe in English?
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You forget F) The service doesn't work (It doesn't solve the problem it was supposed to and/or makes the existing problem worse.


This is about the only relative added point. Money moves all over government all the time, for everything it is how it works, and it doesn't matter who the govt is or what style of govt it is. Its services are it bills, and it pays those bills like 90% of people do, all at once or they pay half of two bills now and half later.

Back to the quoted point. This applies to everything. Prisons for example it costs nearly 70,000 a year to house a convict. Those people are cut from society yet society supports them. The majority of criminals are there drug related. How well it the War on drugs going? how much money has been dumped into something that has only gotten worse.

Its a free country people should be able to choose to do what they want. Begin legalizing drugs, starting with low class ones like Marijuana, Mushrooms etc

I know what you are trying to do, and that is single out things like medicare. Thats fine and all, but if they do get rid of that, I hope you break your body, so your insurance company dumps you, or charges you an outrageous amount after. So you know how tough some people have affording medical costs, a home, vehicles, etc.

Also look at Canada, tax paid ("free") Health Care, for every citizen in the country. Its economy is cruising along fine. (and the CDN govt spends less on health care per person/year then the US govt does as well due to hospitals being publicly controlled).
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Once again, I realize you have multiple people to respond to, but I'd still like a response to "I'm curious what types of answers were expected and what acceptable (or correct) answers would have been to Thiefx."

Do you still require further responses from me before you answer my two questions?
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Except it doesn't work exactly like other services.

Pizza Hut can't make me pay them for a pizza I never got. Macy's can't make me pay them for a shirt I don't want. Exxon doesn't make me pay them for gas that someone else uses.

The government can force you to pay for services you didn't want nor use.


Protip: If you make enough money that you pay any amount of taxes worth squawking about, you are benefiting more from those services than most people. Taxes are the cost of living in a developed nation. If you are thriving in a developed nation, you can thank the services that taxes provide for that. If you aren't thriving in that developed nation, you can thank the services that taxes provide for saving your ass.

People who think that taxes actually steal from the rich to give to the poor are the worst kind of idiots. Money is just a system. If someone takes your money and in doing so makes the money you're left with more valuable by putting what they took into collective investments, you have to be an idiot to complain about it.

And you're welcome to leave America if you don't like the club rules. Nobody is making you live here, work here, or shop here. In fact, I'd wager that if taxation made the U.S. such a sh*tty place, you'd have already done so, like the countless immigrants who leave their crummy country every year for the pleasure of our standard of living.

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Rather taxing to think of all the things that can be taxed so we can live as civilize human beings.


So right. It's a comfort to me to know that because I get taxed every time I want my sandwich toasted at subway (Yes CA has a tax for that)that's the reason we aren't all living in mud huts.



Mostly right! One of the things that's nice about having a portion of the fee you pay to get some-one else to toast your sandwiches for you is the safety you enjoy from your Chief or members of his war party coming along, pushing you in the dirt, and taking whatever thing of yours catches his fancy.
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The government is the people, and the taxes are paid by the people. Welcome to club America. If you don't want to pay your club dues, gtfo.

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Once again, I realize you have multiple people to respond to, but I'd still like a response to "I'm curious what types of answers were expected and what acceptable (or correct) answers would have been to Thiefx."

Do you still require further responses from me before you answer my two questions?

And I know you probably realize this, but there is no correct response from anyone. He's just trying to stir things up.
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I find it funny that Thiefx thinks that I don't pay any taxes.

Sales tax and estate taxes, plus now I have to make sure I collect tax on any jewelry I sell and give it to the state.

Nothing under the table for me as I want to be able to sell my jewelry at fairs and conventions, were the Tax man will make sure I have a State Tax Id nicely framed for all to see.
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