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#52 Jul 28 2011 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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I miss Rahm Emanuel.

As time goes on I think more and more that Obama would have been a great Cabinet member. I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President. Clinton would, I think, have been even more divisive, if that's even possible.

Any democratic president, really any president of any party excepting republican would have been divisive. Hell, a republican president would have divided the republican party. I don't think there is a human being that would have been able to lead this congress to any compromising policy on the big issues.

Hilary may have done a better job than Obama of simply flipping them all off and pushing forward with whatever tricks Bill could lend her.

I miss Rahm too.


Edited, Jul 28th 2011 3:00pm by Elinda
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I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President.


Nick Clegg?


I'm not a Obama hater, but he was definitely not the best candidate in 2008.

That would be... Ron Paul? I still think he was better than Clinton, McCain is pretty much hated by the Tea Party now so he would have been a total flop on both sides as a president... not sure who else was a big name, honestly.


You all seem more in the politics than I am.
Educate me... What makes you support Obama over Clinton?
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For one thing, I thought Obama's path to health care was much more likely to pass than Clinton's insistence on a government-run universal program. For another, Clinton's campaign was a fiasco and made me rather skeptical of her ability to lead. I also assumed Clinton would be more divisive purely by virtue of her last name and the scorn Republicans have heaped upon her since 1992. I underestimated the amount of fanaticism the Right would whip up over Obama as well.

I disagree with a good bit of what Smash said but he's more liberal than I am so I imagine he was looking towards other goals. While Obama's presidency hasn't been perfect, he's largely done what I wanted him to do.

Samira should totally move to Chicago so she can hang with The Rahm.

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 8:44am by Jophiel
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#55varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 7:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know things are bad in the Democrats world when Smashed is willing to talk sh*t about a black president.
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What Joph said. I also didn't agree with some of her personal views, such as blaming videogames for violence and calling for tighter restrictions on them. Obviously I'm biased, but we all choose candidates based on our biases, no?

Edit: Your turn. Who were the better candidates?

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 9:46am by LockeColeMA
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#57varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 7:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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I underestimated the amount of fanaticism the Right would whip up over Obama as well.

Because you're an idiot.

Could be. Next time I'll know just how simple-minded Republicans are Smiley: smile
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Plus you had to realize there would be a tremendous backlash for the way you people treated W.

What "you people" are these? The GOP (esp. the Tea Party) hates W too, didn't you get the memo? He was a huge spender, which is anathema. While they're happy to blame Obama for most of the mistakes, they pull few punches when it comes to our last president... they just make sure to say "But we're new and improved, and Obama is worse!"
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The GOP (esp. the Tea Party) hates W too, didn't you get the memo?
That would require reading.
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Often the simplest solution is the best one.

Assume anyone from the Right is a rage-filled half-wit. Got it!
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#64varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 7:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#65varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 7:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
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No they don't. But I suspect you know this.

I suspect I know more than a guy who claims Beck is part of the MSM Smiley: lol Some days I'm not even sure you know who you agree with and whom you disagree with.
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#67varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 8:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
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Please show me where i've ever said Beck is part of the MSM.


I know it was only yesterday, but please, try to keep up...
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#69varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 8:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
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What Joph said. I also didn't agree with some of her personal views, such as blaming videogames for violence and calling for tighter restrictions on them. Obviously I'm biased, but we all choose candidates based on our biases, no?

Edit: Your turn. Who were the better candidates?

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 9:46am by LockeColeMA



I thought Clinton was a far better candidate, but purely based on the debates. I watched all of the debates and for most of her answers, she responded with a plan that is either already in place from when she was in the white house as first lady or laid out on her website. Most of Obama's responses were thoughts of what he planned to do, which is good, but I thought the fact that Clinton had much of it already in action or had already done it made her a better suited candidate.

Now, I don't know specifics, that's why I asked you to see if I was missing something, but it doesn't seem that I did. It appears that your preferences lead you to Obama and that there wasn't a "Ron Paul" difference between the two.
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Obviously you can't read for sh*t.

Smiley: laugh
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#72 Jul 28 2011 at 8:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
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Obviously you can't read for sh*t.

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 10:07am by varusword75


Everyone here has a problem reading then, because everyone but you knows your comment calling a piece on the Blaze a MSM attack equates to you calling the Blaze part of the MSM.
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He's never been accused of being able to connect thoughts together.
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#74varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 8:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Moe,
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because everyone but you knows your comment calling a piece on the Blaze a MSM attack equates to you calling the Blaze part of the MSM.


No it doesn't. Why do you assume it does?

Because I'm smart enough to tie my own shoes.
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#76 Jul 28 2011 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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The GOP (esp. the Tea Party) hates W too, didn't you get the memo?
That would require reading.

But...he doesn't get his news from anywhere, lolgaxe!


Oops, wrong fanatic.Smiley: grin
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#77varusword75, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 10:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Moe,
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Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.
Bet the velcro still gives you trouble.
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#79 Jul 28 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.
Bet the velcro still gives you trouble.

You're still giving him too much credit. He wears flip-flops or Crocs.
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Because I'm smart enough to tie my own shoes


Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.



The only adults I know that need shoes that have Velcro, also have the mind of a 4 year old.
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Moe,

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Because I'm smart enough to tie my own shoes


Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.



The only adults I know that need shoes that have Velcro, also have the mind of a 4 year old.

If you're well enough to tie your own shoes, you're well enough to get a job, miss! LOL
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Nadenu wrote:
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Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.
Bet the velcro still gives you trouble.

You're still giving him too much credit. He wears flip-flops or Crocs.

I wear flip flops. Smiley: glare

That has more to do with me being a student and not being able to actually afford shoes, though. Plus they're fucking comfortable.

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 12:32pm by Nilatai
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#83 Jul 28 2011 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
I wear runners for running/biking/hiking what have you, but otherwise I mostly wear something like this.
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Moe,

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Because I'm smart enough to tie my own shoes


Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.



The only adults I know that need shoes that have Velcro, also have the mind of a 4 year old.

If you're well enough to tie your own shoes, you're well enough to get a job, miss! LOL


What about starting my own company Elne Clare Designs or does making and selling 10 pieces of jewelry and a copper ornament count as working.


Also check out the current tree ornament I'm working on at Blogger

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#85nonwto, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 10:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you take, erm, whatever the trade term is for requests of a specific nature? If you were provided with an image, how accurately do you suppose you could recreate it in the form of one of these things?
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As to the OP, I can agree that Obama hasn't live up to my expectations, but feel he done far more then most people are willing to give him credit for. Such as Health Care plan that is didn't go as far as, I was hoping for but feel at least he was able to do more then any other President since Lyndon B. Johnson.

Then there is the fact that he was able to have the guts to order the raid that allowed Seal Team 6 to kill Osama.
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Do you take, erm, whatever the trade term is for requests of a specific nature? If you were provided with an image, how accurately do you suppose you could recreate it in the form of one of these things?

I believe the term you are looking for is "commissions". Does she take commissions.
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Nownwto I do take requests and work with clients to try to recreate designs they give me.

Send me a PM for my business email address.
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Do you take, erm, whatever the trade term is for requests of a specific nature? If you were provided with an image, how accurately do you suppose you could recreate it in the form of one of these things?

I believe the term you are looking for is "commissions". Does she take commissions.

Yes, that what I mean, I do take Commissions for work from a design or phot you would like done.
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Nilatai wrote:
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Luckily i'm smart enough to buy shoes that don't require me to tie them.
Bet the velcro still gives you trouble.

You're still giving him too much credit. He wears flip-flops or Crocs.

I wear flip flops. Smiley: glare

That has more to do with me being a student and not being able to actually afford shoes, though. Plus they're fucking comfortable.

Edited, Jul 28th 2011 12:32pm by Nilatai

I also wear flip-flops. But I don't work in an insurance office.
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I'm beginning to come on board to the "Obama as naive" camp. He's smart. He's logical. He believes his opposition is working with good intentions in mind. He has hope in humanity.

He also has a distinct inability to recognize that humanity is bloody stupid, the GOP doesn't care about the country, only about destroying him, and there is no place for intelligence and logic in Washington.
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#92nonwto, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 10:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'll just sign up to that etsy site and contact you there. It'll be a few weeks.
#93ThiefX, Posted: Jul 28 2011 at 11:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Or it might be because Obama is a dangersouly unqualified man/child who like all liberals can't understand why their idiotic beliefs don't work in the real world and is unable to admit he might be wrong.
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7.8 to 9.2 is double? Smiley: dubious
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7.8 to 9.2 is double? Smiley: dubious

Sounds like insurance salesman mathematics to me!
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W left us with a 5% unemployment rate

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Nothing like incomplete graphs and minimal data to try to prove a point. Smiley: oyvey
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