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#27 Jul 27 2011 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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edit: And I really mean stupid. Like, on the level of homoeopathy, stupid.

Edited, Jul 27th 2011 10:20pm by Nilatai


Cool thanks.. Just curious..

Interesting....

Uh huh.
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I suspect that you expected him to come into office and magically fix the budget crisis?

He's delivered on most of his campagin vows. I fail to see how that's lackluster. Is he below-average? Idk. I don't really feel like going through all the presidents to check. But I doubt it.

Besides, how exactly are you going to characterize "lackluster"? Millard Fillmore's presidency marks the downfall of the Whig party (not in any small part because of him). But he also opened up one of the most-influential trade agreements and alliances in American history. Not exactly something to scoff at.
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#29nonwto, Posted: Jul 27 2011 at 8:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'd be interested to see you do it.
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I suspect that you expected him to come into office and magically fix the budget crisis?


I suspect you don't have a working knowledge of my political philosophy or posting history.

You're wrong. I suspect that's a common occurrence.


He's delivered on most of his campagin vows.


Nope. Not vaguely close. People rarely do, of course, campaigning and governing are barely, if at all, related. Even with that, he's accomplished nearly nothing.


I fail to see how that's lackluster. Is he below-average? Idk. I don't really feel like going through all the presidents to check. But I doubt it.


Yes, you're lazy. It's obvious. Let's not belabor that.


Besides, how exactly are you going to characterize "lackluster"? Millard Fillmore's presidency marks the downfall of the Whig party (not in any small part because of him). But he also opened up one of the most-influential trade agreements and alliances in American history. Not exactly something to scoff at.


This isn't related to anything in this thread. You aren't autistic or something, are you?

Edited, Jul 27th 2011 10:58pm by Smasharoo
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Let's be honest, he's been a below average President so far. He squandered a massive amount of political capital to accomplish very little. He's shown both the inability to effectively communicate with the American people, and also the inability to win political battles. You've got do be able to do one of those things to lead this country, preferably both. He's been an empty suit, so far, and he's shown an almost overwhelming desire to please old white men and avoid conflict. That's probably a great instinct when you're trying to land a job out of Harvard Law, but it's the opposite of leadership. If he stepped down today and I was called upon to write his political epitaph headline it would be this:

Mild Mannered House Negro Assures Nation He Hasn't Stolen any of the Silverware.


I am shocked just shocked. Who could have seen that electing a community organizer who had never even ran a lemonade stand could have turned out so bad...........
#32 Jul 27 2011 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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He's delivered on most of his campagin vows.

Yup, good riddance to Gitmo. Rejoice at the post-partisan era of politics!

Oh, wait.

Edit: In terms of actually accomplishing his campaign promises, I think the only one that we can all unequivocally agree was delivered was his promise not to be George W. Bush. Which is ironic, really, since he's basically continued Bush's tax policies, anti-terror policies, and, until recently when the DoJ stopped defending DOMA, most of his social policies as well. Sure, he ******* and moaned about it, but actions speak louder than words.

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Just so long as we can all agree that Franklin Pierce was the best president ever!
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Lex Luthor rebuilt Gotham after the earthquake when everyone else was writing it off as a hopeless cause. And who was President when Imperiex attacked, and led the coalition against him? That's right, Luthor.

Best. President. Ever.

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Just so long as we can all agree that Franklin Pierce was the best president ever!


Personally, I've always been a fan of Buchanan's "come hither" eyes.
#36nonwto, Posted: Jul 27 2011 at 9:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I find it difficult to remember more than about 10 of the US presidents.
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I'd be interested to see you do it.


Get legislation passed that I want?

Done it.
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I find it difficult to remember more than about 10 of the US presidents.

I figured someone as smart as you could name all 43 men!
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#39nonwto, Posted: Jul 27 2011 at 9:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I figured some as * you could be <generally insulting rebuttal>.
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I find it difficult to remember more than about 10 of the US presidents.

I figured someone as smart as you could name all 43 men!


I figured some as * you could be <generally insulting rebuttal>.

Trying to reach lolgaxe levels of quality posting, huh?

Not really, I just like reminding you that you're not as smart as you think you are. Also I can't sleep.
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#41nonwto, Posted: Jul 27 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm familiar with the issue.
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Every time he gets to a negotiating table and says "Let's make a deal" the proposed deals just get ******** and *********

I'm not sure if it's him or just flagrant incompetence by the whole DNC bloc in the art of negotiation.

The fact that it happens on the international level along with the domestic makes me lean toward the former, but I wouldn't rule out both.

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Let's be honest, he's been a below average President so far.

Yeah, pretty much. The split of the republican party has had to have made things a bit more complicated in the political arena. He held his ground on the Libya thing - that was ok. Oh and he killed Osama. After a dose of 'restoring science', he's let the big environmental issues wither on the vine. EPA has been a bit directionless.

I'm not enough of an economist to grade him here except the it's obvious that the 'economic recovery' has been lack-luster at best.

He still could pull off a big win with a strong, viable energy policy.

Health care is a losing issue for any president. But needs to be tackled none-the-less. While the policy isn't the greatest - I hope it's a start. If his public opinion numbers have to be sacrificed to at least get a the ball rolling and if he's managed to get it out of the spotlight and out of the public's short-term memory before the next election, then it's probably a good trade-off.

Getting rid of DOMA and DADT are wins in the social arena, but aren't really good indicators of effectiveness.

However this term winds down, barring any earth-shattering revelations or policy disasters, I'll vote for him again.

Second term presidents usually show more teeth.
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Second term presidents usually show more teeth.


Or wang in clinton's case.
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Second term presidents usually show more teeth.


Or wang in clinton's case.
Some extracurricular activity would, in all likelyhood, draw the pubbies full attention away from governance. Specially if he was caught ******* a whitey.
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Second term presidents usually show more teeth.


Or wang in clinton's case.
Some extracurricular activity would, in all likelyhood, draw the pubbies full attention away from governance. Specially if he was caught ******* a whitey.


That's actually pretty funny, because I think he would still have a percentage of black support if he were caught cheating with any ethnicity OTHER THAN a white woman.
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I miss Rahm Emanuel.

As time goes on I think more and more that Obama would have been a great Cabinet member. I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President. Clinton would, I think, have been even more divisive, if that's even possible.

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I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President.


Nick Clegg?
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I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President.


Nick Clegg?


I'm not a Obama hater, but he was definitely not the best candidate in 2008.
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I was asked the other day if I was better off than I was 2 and 1/2 years ago.

I actually am, fantastically so. I'm employed (two jobs, in fact), have tucked away 10% of everything I've made toward retirement, and have enough money to cover myself for 6 months if I ever lose employment. I own my car, and my rent is pretty cheap (especially compared to friends I have in Boston, who pay 3x what I do).

I might be an exception, but I realized that's probably why I can't get behind the doom n' gloom I read about so often. I'm doing really well. My entire family is, actually. My parents lost infinitely more when the stock market plummeted a decade ago and the housing market crumbled soon after they bought their house (2005). My dad just went on Medicare, and his insurance costs dropped something like 80%. He also had enough tucked away in investments to retire last year.

I'm not saying that it's all due to Obama, but I certainly feel things could be worse for me personally (since they were before Obama took office). Hopefully other people are in a similar boat as me.

Sorry, kinda off-topic, but tangentially related.
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I just don't know who, out of the field of viable candidates, would have been a more effective President.


Nick Clegg?


I'm not a Obama hater, but he was definitely not the best candidate in 2008.

That would be... Ron Paul? I still think he was better than Clinton, McCain is pretty much hated by the Tea Party now so he would have been a total flop on both sides as a president... not sure who else was a big name, honestly.
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