I want Cain to be revealed as a muscle bound hulk-wrestler.
I have a bet riding that in the next 6 or 7 years, America will turn into the America from Idiocracy.
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Herman Cain is certainly an attractive option, but only because he says the right things, at this point. On his experience, the man certainly doesn't have the political credentials that Obama does, nor his likely GOP opponents, but to suggest he has no experience is a bit myopic. The man is the son of a maid and a chauffeur who got a masters degree in Computer Science from Purdue. He rose through the executive ranks of Pilsburry to head a group that purchased Godfather's Pizza and was the CEO of same for 8 years. He was the CEO of a national trade group, Chairman of the K.C. Fed. and a nationally syndicated columnist. The man knows how to be successful.
Everyone else is just more of the same as GOP candidates go; a couple of nutters, some screeching she-folks, the religious hacks and the hair-helmeted RINOs.
I like what Cain says, but at this point, it's just that. His biggest detractor is that he has no record, the downfall of a non-politician in Presidential Politics.
Everyone else is just more of the same as GOP candidates go; a couple of nutters, some screeching she-folks, the religious hacks and the hair-helmeted RINOs.
I like what Cain says, but at this point, it's just that. His biggest detractor is that he has no record, the downfall of a non-politician in Presidential Politics.
MoebiusLord wrote:
Everyone else is just more of the same as GOP candidates go
"Business Man Who Decides HE Knows How To Fix Politics" isn't exactly a groundbreaking archetype itself.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Speaking of presidential contenders...
Oh, sure, you can put a (D) next to every scandal embroiled Republican for years but you mess up a Palin photo and it's all "zero tolerance" policies :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2011 12:58pm by Jophiel
Mediaite wrote:
No doubt 30 Rock’s Tina Fey does a great impression of Sarah Palin. But surely she’s not such a dead ringer for the former Alaska governor and current One Nation bus touring non-candidate that she’d ever be confused for the real thing in a news story–and if, somehow, she was, you can bet it wouldn’t happen at Fox. I mean, she works there, so you’d assume they have a pretty good idea what the lady looks like. Right? Um, right?
Oh boy. On Sunday, a story about Palin being “50-50″ on getting into the 2012 campaign included a graphic–featuring Tina Fey as Palin in an SNL skit from 2008. This one likely won’t go down quietly at Fox, which has had a few Palin-related screwups over the years, resulting in a strongly-worded memo to staff: cut. it. out:
Oh boy. On Sunday, a story about Palin being “50-50″ on getting into the 2012 campaign included a graphic–featuring Tina Fey as Palin in an SNL skit from 2008. This one likely won’t go down quietly at Fox, which has had a few Palin-related screwups over the years, resulting in a strongly-worded memo to staff: cut. it. out:
Fox News wrote:
Effective immediately, there is zero tolerance for on-screen errors. Mistakes by any member of the show team that end up on air may result in immediate disciplinary action against those who played significant roles in the “mistake chain,†and those who supervise them. That may include warning letters to personnel files, suspensions, and other possible actions up to and including termination, and this will all obviously play a role in performance reviews.
Oh, sure, you can put a (D) next to every scandal embroiled Republican for years but you mess up a Palin photo and it's all "zero tolerance" policies :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2011 12:58pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Everyone else is just more of the same as GOP candidates go
"Business Man Who Decides HE Knows How To Fix Politics" isn't exactly a groundbreaking archetype itself.
Nor would I suggest it was. The assertion, however, was that he had no experience, where he clearly does. More so, in fact, than the President does at being the HNIC.
I was chuckling more at the "everyone else is more of the same" bit.
Don't get me wrong, the same principle players show up at every primary on both sides.
Don't get me wrong, the same principle players show up at every primary on both sides.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
I was chuckling more at the "everyone else is more of the same" bit.
Got it. They only got the more of the same treatment because I had specifically addressed Hermie and wasn't about to go down the list name by name.
How about McCain/Cain 2012 just to confuse people?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Jophiel wrote:
Off the cuff, it'll come down to Romney & Pawlenty.
That's a pretty safe bet. They're by far the most "mainstream" of the candidates and will have broader appeal. I like Cain. He understands conservative principles and has shown that he can apply them. But I can't see someone with that little experience leading a ticket. He'd be an interesting VP pick for just about anyone though. He also has a habit of falling back on jokes and jibes. Which works when you're the quirky outsider, but doesn't stand up if you want to be a central contender in a race.
I still like Romney. The health care issue is BS, but that wont stop it from still being made into a big deal by those who don't understand the difference between state and federal government. If that's the biggest negative, it wont be that much of a problem. The people who care the most about the health care issue on the right understand that difference so it wont affect his support that much and if anything it might gain him some ground in the middle.
Pawlenty is pretty straight conservative. A little too much though. He's a good candidate, and he does have the right combination of record and experience, but he's just not terribly exciting. Never know though, he could surprise me as the primary season gets into full swing. It's just that when he's on a stage with several other people, I'm always having to scan the group and ask myself "Now, which one is Pawlenty again?". He just doesn't stand out in a crowd, and that's not a good thing if you're running for President. Again though, I suppose with more time and media attention that might change.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
I still like Romney. The health care issue is BS, but that wont stop it from still being made into a big deal by those who don't understand the difference between state and federal government. If that's the biggest negative, it wont be that much of a problem. The people who care the most about the health care issue on the right understand that difference so it wont affect his support that much and if anything it might gain him some ground in the middle.
I read today that Rick Santorum is putting his name in. He sounds freaking SCARY.
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong.
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong.
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I still like Romney. The health care issue is BS, but that wont stop it from still being made into a big deal by those who don't understand the difference between state and federal government. If that's the biggest negative, it wont be that much of a problem. The people who care the most about the health care issue on the right understand that difference so it wont affect his support that much and if anything it might gain him some ground in the middle.
That's a torturous way of putting it. What I'm saying is that equating Romneycare to Obama care is "BS" because there is a difference between doing something at the state level and doing it at the federal level. The argument commonly against Romney on this isn't "He's a terrible leader because he passed a terrible health care law in Mass", but "He's a hypocrite because he opposes Obamacare, but he passed the same thing in Mass". That's the "BS" I'm talking about.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
I still like Romney. The health care issue is BS, but that wont stop it from still being made into a big deal by those who don't understand the difference between state and federal government. If that's the biggest negative, it wont be that much of a problem. The people who care the most about the health care issue on the right understand that difference so it wont affect his support that much and if anything it might gain him some ground in the middle.
Erm... Romney's big health care speech wasn't made in order to placate the left or something. He made it because he's getting savaged from the right (both pundits and GOP candidates). He obviously thought the people "on the right" didn't just understand the difference and didn't care about his record.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Belkira wrote:
I read today that Rick Santorum is putting his name in. He sounds freaking SCARY.
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong
You're thinking Sanford with the mistress but, yeah, Santorum is a goon. Luckily, his run won't amount to much.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira wrote:
I read today that Rick Santorum is putting his name in. He sounds freaking SCARY.
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong
And I thought he was the guy with the Argentinean mistress, but I was wrong
You're thinking Sanford with the mistress but, yeah, Santorum is a goon. Luckily, his run won't amount to much.
Ah yes, thank you.
#42gbaji,
Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 3:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) He knew that the average uninformed voter, if constantly told by a predominantly left-leaning media that he was a bad conservative because he passed a health care system nearly identical to Obamacare in his state, would be influenced by that message and he needed to set the record straight. Most conservative pundits, when commenting on Romney, didn't argue that they felt his health care in Mass violated conservative principles, but simply expressed concern that others might think so. Gee. I can't imagine how that could happen?
gbaji wrote:
It was about countering claims being made by the left about him.
Hahahahahahaha...
Seriously. Good times.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#44gbaji,
Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 4:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Really? You honestly think that the number of conservatives condemning Romney for his Mass health care bill is even a tiny fraction of the number of liberals running around insisting that conservatives should condemn him? I've heard of being in the bubble before, but that's a bit ridiculous.
gbaji wrote:
Pawlenty is pretty straight conservative. A little too much though. He's a good candidate, and he does have the right combination of record and experience, but he's just not terribly exciting. Never know though, he could surprise me as the primary season gets into full swing. It's just that when he's on a stage with several other people, I'm always having to scan the group and ask myself "Now, which one is Pawlenty again?". He just doesn't stand out in a crowd, and that's not a good thing if you're running for President. Again though, I suppose with more time and media attention that might change.
Tim Pawlenty is no conservative. Take it from a guy who helped put him in office twice. He did a fine on the revenue side of things, but not a whole hell of a lot on the spending side. His vocally championed ethanol, signing in increases in mandated percentages in the state's gasoline, he vocally supported cap and trade, he attempted a Romney-style health care system in Minnesota and he was John McCain's quarterback in the mid-west. Now that he has to run as a conservative he's saying all the right things and making all the right apologies, but when push comes to shove he's just another RINO with good hair.
gbaji wrote:
I've heard of being in the bubble before, but that's a bit ridiculous.
From what I understand, you don't get your news from anywhere.
It shows.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I've heard of being in the bubble before, but that's a bit ridiculous.
From what I understand, you don't get your news from anywhere.
It shows.
MoebiusLord wrote:
Tim Pawlenty is no conservative. Take it from a guy who helped put him in office twice. He did a fine on the revenue side of things, but not a whole hell of a lot on the spending side. His vocally championed ethanol, signing in increases in mandated percentages in the state's gasoline, he vocally supported cap and trade, he attempted a Romney-style health care system in Minnesota and he was John McCain's quarterback in the mid-west. Now that he has to run as a conservative he's saying all the right things and making all the right apologies, but when push comes to shove he's just another RINO with good hair.
Edited, Jun 6th 2011 8:07pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
MoebiusLord wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Pawlenty is pretty straight conservative. A little too much though. He's a good candidate, and he does have the right combination of record and experience, but he's just not terribly exciting. Never know though, he could surprise me as the primary season gets into full swing. It's just that when he's on a stage with several other people, I'm always having to scan the group and ask myself "Now, which one is Pawlenty again?". He just doesn't stand out in a crowd, and that's not a good thing if you're running for President. Again though, I suppose with more time and media attention that might change.
Tim Pawlenty is no conservative. Take it from a guy who helped put him in office twice. He did a fine on the revenue side of things, but not a whole hell of a lot on the spending side. His vocally championed ethanol, signing in increases in mandated percentages in the state's gasoline, he vocally supported cap and trade, he attempted a Romney-style health care system in Minnesota and he was John McCain's quarterback in the mid-west. Now that he has to run as a conservative he's saying all the right things and making all the right apologies, but when push comes to shove he's just another RINO with good hair.
He also just announced his plan on taxes; a three-tiered tax system for individuals:
Quote:
In a speech expected to be heavy on specifics, Pawlenty was ready to propose a three-tier income tax system:
— The estimated 45 percent of U.S. households that did not pay income taxes in 2010 would see no change in their tax rates.
— Individuals would pay 10 percent tax on the first $50,000 of income. Couples earning $100,000 would also pay that rate.
— “Everything above that would be taxed at 25 percent,†Pawlenty said.
He also wanted to cut business taxes, reducing the current rate from 35 percent to 15 percent.
“I think it‘s ironic that he’s talking about a fiscal plan for the entire country when he left his state a mess,†Gov. Mark Dayton said in an interview. “He decided he was going to leave and left it to his successor. They knew they were going to kick this down the road.â€
In speeches, including the one Tuesday at the university where Obama taught law, Pawlenty boasts that he balanced the Minnesota budget during his time in office although he fails to mention he left behind a projected $5 billion deficit.
Dayton said the cuts under consideration for the next two-year budget include cuts to special education programs, increases in college students’ tuition and limited availability of home health care for seniors to offset the deficits.
— The estimated 45 percent of U.S. households that did not pay income taxes in 2010 would see no change in their tax rates.
— Individuals would pay 10 percent tax on the first $50,000 of income. Couples earning $100,000 would also pay that rate.
— “Everything above that would be taxed at 25 percent,†Pawlenty said.
He also wanted to cut business taxes, reducing the current rate from 35 percent to 15 percent.
“I think it‘s ironic that he’s talking about a fiscal plan for the entire country when he left his state a mess,†Gov. Mark Dayton said in an interview. “He decided he was going to leave and left it to his successor. They knew they were going to kick this down the road.â€
In speeches, including the one Tuesday at the university where Obama taught law, Pawlenty boasts that he balanced the Minnesota budget during his time in office although he fails to mention he left behind a projected $5 billion deficit.
Dayton said the cuts under consideration for the next two-year budget include cuts to special education programs, increases in college students’ tuition and limited availability of home health care for seniors to offset the deficits.
LockeColeMA wrote:
He also just announced his plan on taxes; a three-tiered tax system for individuals:
Quote:
In a speech expected to be heavy on specifics, Pawlenty was ready to propose a three-tier income tax system:
— The estimated 45 percent of U.S. households that did not pay income taxes in 2010 would see no change in their tax rates.
— Individuals would pay 10 percent tax on the first $50,000 of income. Couples earning $100,000 would also pay that rate.
— “Everything above that would be taxed at 25 percent,†Pawlenty said.
He also wanted to cut business taxes, reducing the current rate from 35 percent to 15 percent.
— The estimated 45 percent of U.S. households that did not pay income taxes in 2010 would see no change in their tax rates.
— Individuals would pay 10 percent tax on the first $50,000 of income. Couples earning $100,000 would also pay that rate.
— “Everything above that would be taxed at 25 percent,†Pawlenty said.
He also wanted to cut business taxes, reducing the current rate from 35 percent to 15 percent.
And there's a perfect example of why T-Paw is no conservative. Everyone, regardless of their income, should be on the hook for paying income taxes. People with no bill are blind to the cost of the services they receive and blind to the impact of increases in the liability. As such they have no reason to do anything but support a bigger hand out.
Quote:
“I think it‘s ironic that he’s talking about a fiscal plan for the entire country when he left his state a mess,†Gov. Mark Dayton said in an interview. “He decided he was going to leave and left it to his successor. They knew they were going to kick this down the road.â€
In speeches, including the one Tuesday at the university where Obama taught law, Pawlenty boasts that he balanced the Minnesota budget during his time in office although he fails to mention he left behind a projected $5 billion deficit.
Dayton said the cuts under consideration for the next two-year budget include cuts to special education programs, increases in college students’ tuition and limited availability of home health care for seniors to offset the deficits.
In speeches, including the one Tuesday at the university where Obama taught law, Pawlenty boasts that he balanced the Minnesota budget during his time in office although he fails to mention he left behind a projected $5 billion deficit.
Dayton said the cuts under consideration for the next two-year budget include cuts to special education programs, increases in college students’ tuition and limited availability of home health care for seniors to offset the deficits.
As for Mr. Dayton's comments, his definition of deficit is "I want to spend $36 billion dollars and the Republicans only want to give me $31 billion. That's going to leave us with a $5 billion dollar deficit."
#50gbaji,
Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 1:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Huh! That's the same math used to blame our current deficit on Bush's tax cuts. It's "special" math, for "special" people. ;)
Yep, "special" math that says you can decrease the amount of money you take in, and increase the amount of money you spend, and say it's ok!
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