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#1 May 12 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576319043572865406.html?mod=e2fb

In contrast to the utilitarian "Darwinian" argument that treating AIDS patients merely increases their ability to transmit the infection (which generally side steps the humane treatment of those infected).

This is a pretty big breakthrough for the argument that treatment should be provided as a preventive measure, especially considering the HIV treatment also reduces the transmission of TB.
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#2 May 12 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I realize that I will be called all kinds of hateful names for suggesting this... But... why not simply stop spreading AIDS? If we decided not to spread AIDS a cure would not be needed. We could then put that money toward curing diseases that are not spread voluntarily. If you are in a high AIDS risk category get yourself tested regularly and do not spread it if you have it.
ITS JUST THAT EASY.

Edited, May 12th 2011 9:16pm by lolgaxe
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#3 May 12 2011 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, it's Africa.
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#4 May 12 2011 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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BUT, at least they're heterosexuals!
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#5 May 13 2011 at 7:14 AM Rating: Default
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In contrast to the utilitarian "Darwinian" argument that treating AIDS patients merely increases their ability to transmit the infection (which generally side steps the humane treatment of those infected).


Please read about Utilitarianism. You, like the vast majority of the world, seem to have no idea what it is.
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#6 May 13 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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In contrast to the utilitarian "Darwinian" argument that treating AIDS patients merely increases their ability to transmit the infection (which generally side steps the humane treatment of those infected).


Please read about Utilitarianism. You, like the vast majority of the world, seem to have no idea what it is.


utilitarian is a word that doesn't always have to be connected with Utilitarianism

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pertaining to or consisting in utility.
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having regard to utility or usefulness rather than beauty, ornamentation, etc.
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of, pertaining to, or adhering to the doctrine of utilitarianism.


It is perfectly possible to use the first or second definition without using the third.
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#7 May 13 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Driftwood wrote:
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In contrast to the utilitarian "Darwinian" argument that treating AIDS patients merely increases their ability to transmit the infection (which generally side steps the humane treatment of those infected).


Please read about Utilitarianism. You, like the vast majority of the world, seem to have no idea what it is.


utilitarian is a word that doesn't always have to be connected with Utilitarianism

Quote:
u·til·i·tar·i·an
   [yoo-til-i-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
pertaining to or consisting in utility.
2.
having regard to utility or usefulness rather than beauty, ornamentation, etc.
3.
of, pertaining to, or adhering to the doctrine of utilitarianism.


It is perfectly possible to use the first or second definition without using the third.


Yes, thank you. I was actually referring to the concept of utilitarianism from a more nihilistic perspective, which I thought was clear from invoking Darwin. i.e., the idea that there is no ethical basis for treatment of infected individuals and that it serves no purpose to the uninfected aside from ethical attachments.
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#8 May 13 2011 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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Ugh. I think I find Kachi's posts more painful to read through than Alma's. At least Alma's sense of superiority isn't so smug.
#9 May 14 2011 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe sometimes I'm smug, but at least not in this thread. Maybe you're just imagining it, as is often the case in text to text exchanges.
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#10 May 14 2011 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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Kachi's right, Guenny. It's everyone else who's wrong.

He's not smug. Or arrogant. Or at least, he's not now. But he is sometimes. But that's only because he wants to be. But he's not, and you're just being defensive. But sometimes he is, but just because he thinks it's funny to get a reaction out of certain people. So he's arrogant. But he's also not arrogant. Because none of his friends think that he's arrogant in real life. But sometimes he is. But you shouldn't call him out on it, because it's the Asylum. But he isn't arrogant. He's just confident.

Don't you get it?

Edited, May 15th 2011 1:12am by Eske
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#11 May 15 2011 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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If you wanna call me out when I'm being smug, go for it. But if my tone is being misconstrued, I'm going to say so.

I do think it's funny that you're still so bitter about our little tussle, though. At this point you're so self-assured that I'm a smug ***, there's no way I could get out of the corner you've painted me into. If there was any part of me that cared about your opinion in the first place, you're making **** sure it dies.

Truthfully I thought you were above it.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#12 May 15 2011 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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My, look at that smug @#%^ posting above me.


You thought he was above it? really ? Like you guys are friends and you have some perspective into his higher conscious, and that it would even begin to be bothered by him calling you out.





Edited, May 15th 2011 6:23am by Tarub
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#13 May 15 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smug, I dunno. Pompous, absolutely.

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#14 May 16 2011 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
yeah, I'd go with pompous before smug
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