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#52 May 12 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think its a rank thing. I see that happen to everyone that breaks the O6-O7 barrier.

Admittedly, I only know one person that did that. Poor Jorgensen.
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The obvious solution is he get a part time job as a substitute teacher.
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Now, if he invited Lil' Wayne or Soulja Boy Tell 'Em, I too would be offended, but Common Sense? Really?


It's not about the rapper it's about the political posititions they take. And when you take a political position you had better be ready to face the consequences.


I was referring to what they stand for. Common is not a positive rapper but a positive artist. Most songs in any genre is just about love, sex, drugs, fame, fortune, etc. You don't have many artists actively trying to help a community.

Ignorance is shown when people label him "gangsta".
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#57varusword75, Posted: May 12 2011 at 3:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Alma,
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Because obviously the black panthers are just a benevolent community group just trying to do the right thing.
Just like Saddam Hussein!
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You don't have many artists actively trying to help a community.

Ignorance is shown when people label him "gangsta".


Because obviously the black panthers are just a benevolent community group just trying to do the right thing.




As I stated, ignorance is the only reason for labeling Common as a "gangsta rapper". That displays the lack of understanding of the term.
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I apologize for the "double post", but I think John Stewart says it the best. You really can't counter this...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewarts-epic-takedown-of-fox-news-for-pushing-rapper-commons-w-h-controversy/


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Actual performance of Common at the White House..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--mh_TpplI4&feature=player_embedded

Edited, May 13th 2011 3:40am by Almalieque
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I think you're on to something, Alma. It would do the world for your reputation here if you limited yourself to linking Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to make your arguments for you.
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I think you're on to something, Alma. It would do the world for your reputation here if you limited yourself to linking Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to make your arguments for you.
If Alma hadn't already created the single greatest quotable statement ever, I'd add this to my sig.
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#64 May 16 2011 at 3:09 PM Rating: Default
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Don't forget to watch the debate tonight with John Stewart and Bill O'reilly tonight on the Factor.
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Giggle. Diverse opinions of Fox News.
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?


Sadly, yes. Though now that Beck is leaving the scale will surely teeter a bit the other way.
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Kachi wrote:
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?


Sadly, yes. Though now that Beck is leaving the scale will surely teeter a bit the other way.
Aw, maan. Glenn Beck is comedy gold! Gold I say!

I like to see how long he can go without saying the word "Nazi".
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#71 May 16 2011 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Nilatai wrote:
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?
I'd say Shepard Smith is the most moderate out of any of the hosts, but that's not exactly a tough competition.
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#72 May 16 2011 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?
I'd say Shepard Smith is the most moderate out of any of the hosts, but that's not exactly a tough competition.


I'm sure there have to be less crazy pundits, but O'Reilly is pretty phenomenally huge and takes more of a stance that liberalism is stupid, rather than evil. For that reason, he's actually (sadly) a pretty important source of moderation for the network, or at least that was the case when Beck was a dominating presence. I imagine Beck will remain in the spotlight, and absence from the network (e.g., Limbaugh) doesn't undermine the value of having someone who appeals to the crazies but occasionally acts as a voice of reason.

That is to say, I actually have the teeniest smidgen of respect for O'Reilly due to the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity.
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bsphil wrote:
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Kachi wrote:
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People really take Bill "tide goes in, tide goes out" O'Reilly seriously?


We have to pander to him a little out of respect for being one of the least crazy pundits on FOX.
Least crazy?
I'd say Shepard Smith is the most moderate out of any of the hosts, but that's not exactly a tough competition.


I'm sure there have to be less crazy pundits, but O'Reilly is pretty phenomenally huge and takes more of a stance that liberalism is stupid, rather than evil. For that reason, he's actually (sadly) a pretty important source of moderation for the network, or at least that was the case when Beck was a dominating presence. I imagine Beck will remain in the spotlight, and absence from the network (e.g., Limbaugh) doesn't undermine the value of having someone who appeals to the crazies but occasionally acts as a voice of reason.

That is to say, I actually have the teeniest smidgen of respect for O'Reilly due to the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think that O'Reilly is more moderate than people give him credit for, he's just an egomaniac. I think Shepard Smith is a bit better about it though, which is probably why he's on during the dead hours. Or maybe just because he got **** off and hit that woman with his car, idk.
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#74 May 16 2011 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably- I don't know much about Smith and to my knowledge he isn't so influential, but then I try not to keep too close a watch on conservative pundits. To do that, I'd have to actually, ick, watch them.
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Have you actually ever heard the song?


Can't speak for anyone else, but I was curious, so I did. Have you?

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Now go listen to the song, or even just read the lyrics. The song is about prejudice in the judicial system, and within the police force, it is about another black person who was unjustly found guilty of a crime that they didn't commit. The song doesn't praise killing cops, it bags on the whole **** system at the time.


It's a song which perpetuates a lie in which a woman who committed numerous violent crimes is relabeled as innocent, mostly because of no reason other than a bunch of people insist that she was. She was *not* innocent and it's kinda sad to make a hero out of someone who was so casually violent. But sometimes you have to make such a big lie in order to cover the truth and so that no one looks too closely.

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Yeah. Read that. Also read a lot more about her than just that one case. What's wrong about the song is that it hypes and exaggerates claims about her mistreatment (many of which are just plain false like the claim that she was denied a lawyer), while utterly downplaying everything and anything which might cast her in a negative light:

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She untangled the chains and escaped the pain
How she broke out of prison I could never explain
And even to this day they try to get to her
but she's free with political asylum in Cuba.


Really? He could "never explain" how she broke out? Is that because he doesn't know? Or because he doesn't want to explain that 4 armed members of the black panthers used false IDs to sneak into the visitors section where she was held (and likely with some inside help since they were not searched when entering as they should have been), held multiple people at gunpoint, and broke her out. There's a whole lot of skipping over the details of just how many times she was involved in direct violent activities.

But if you mention that, then you have to explain how this "innocent" woman was so heavily connected with armed criminals that they'd pull off such a risky and dangerous plan to get her out. Why those guys must have all been good friends with spotless records themselves who decided to "do the right thing", right? Um... Wrong. The reality is that she was head deep in an ultra violent splinter group of the Black Panthers.


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(there is no proof that Assata was shot the cops, just a statement by a State Trooper, that he later said he had lied about and retracted it, that was the only thing linking her to killing the cops. The state trooper said he never saw her with a gun at all, and did not fire any shots.)

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Trooper Harper admitted to having lied in these reports and in his Grand Jury testimony about Trooper Foerster yelling and showing him an ammunition clip, about seeing Shakur holding a pocketbook or a gun inside the vehicle, and about Shakur shooting at him from the car. Trooper Harper retracted his previous statements and said that he had never seen Shakur with a gun, and that she did not shoot him


Yeah. What that account fails to clarify is that the parts he lied about had nothing to do with her guilt for the crimes she was convicted of. He made those admissions during cross-examination at her trial. She was convicted because there was overwhelming evidence of her guilt, not because one officer lied about some relatively minor aspects of the case. In the specific case, they only needed to prove she was an accomplice to the murder, not that she actually pulled the trigger. So the facts that are used to claim she was innocent were actually irrelevant to the case.


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Or a good song apparently.
Turn all "her"s and "she"s into "his" and "he's" and this entire post was about Bob Dylan's Hurricane. Man, I love that song.
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Bob Dylan is different. No real reason, just cuz.
'Cause he's awesome. Or white. Or both.

By the way, do NOT go see Dylan nowadays. His singing is absolutely terrible today Smiley: frown
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His singing is absolutely terrible today Smiley: frown


...today? Smiley: confused
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His singing is absolutely terrible today Smiley: frown


...today? Smiley: confused
In the current period. My friend went and saw him last year and said it was terrible. My parents received a recent "Bob Dylan Christmas" CD last December and it sounds like he's mumbling off key and off tune the entire time. Kinda sad.
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His singing is absolutely terrible today Smiley: frown


...today? Smiley: confused
In the current period. My friend went and saw him last year and said it was terrible. My parents received a recent "Bob Dylan Christmas" CD last December and it sounds like he's mumbling off key and off tune the entire time. Kinda sad.


Right, so...he sounds like he always has. Smiley: tongue
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His singing is absolutely terrible today Smiley: frown


...today? Smiley: confused
In the current period. My friend went and saw him last year and said it was terrible. My parents received a recent "Bob Dylan Christmas" CD last December and it sounds like he's mumbling off key and off tune the entire time. Kinda sad.


Right, so...he sounds like he always has. Smiley: tongue
Touché Smiley: lol
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#82 May 17 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw O'Reilly and Stewart
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It doesn't count if they were only potential presidential nominees, right?
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