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#52 May 10 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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You, people, really, will, argue, about, anything.
Not really. I'm sure if you think not very hard for not very long you could come up with something that hasn't been argued about here.
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#53 May 10 2011 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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You, people, really, will, argue, about, anything.
Not really. I'm sure if you think not very hard for not very long you could come up with something that hasn't been argued about here.

The superiority of scalene triangles over their isosceles counterparts?
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#54 May 10 2011 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
You, people, really, will, argue, about, anything.
Not really. I'm sure if you think not very hard for not very long you could come up with something that hasn't been argued about here.

The superiority of scalene triangles over their isosceles counterparts?


We've never argued that because that is wrong. Golden triangles are isosceles, thus cannot be inferior to scalene triangles.
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#55 May 10 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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You, people, really, will, argue, about, anything.
Not really. I'm sure if you think not very hard for not very long you could come up with something that hasn't been argued about here.

The superiority of scalene triangles over their isosceles counterparts?


We've never argued that because that is wrong. Golden triangles are isosceles, thus cannot be inferior to scalene triangles.
Their is only one right triangle.
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#56 May 10 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Default
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Right. And it's perfectly logical to call a red grape a red cherry because if you ignore the grape part it's just another little round red fruit.


The intent is for "accidental" to modify the word "suicide" to create a new term. It is not describing an event. So perhaps my construction is off, but the logical argument is valid--I just began with the wrong building blocks.

I suppose the best term would actually be "accidental pseudo-suicide." That is to say, an event that fails to meet the criteria of suicide, but nearly does so, and occurred by accident.

Though there are theories of linguistics that hold that adjectives actually act by modifying definitions. They earn some legitimate support, in solving linguistic issues other theories retain. But they also have other issues, specifically with adjectives that, by definition, reaffirm definitions. For instance, "genuine." A genuine window is an object that... is actually a window. There has been no redefining of the noun, yet the adj makes sense.

Though the response to that worry is usually that these words are actually erroneous, and are used to mark the confidence of the speaker, rather than actually describe the noun in any way.

And this is why I stopped taking linguistics classes. lol
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#57 May 10 2011 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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And this is why I stopped taking linguistics classes. lol
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#58 May 10 2011 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Right. And it's perfectly logical to call a red grape a red cherry because if you ignore the grape part it's just another little round red fruit.


The intent is for "accidental" to modify the word "suicide" to create a new term. It is not describing an event. So perhaps my construction is off, but the logical argument is valid--I just began with the wrong building blocks.

I suppose the best term would actually be "accidental pseudo-suicide." That is to say, an event that fails to meet the criteria of suicide, but nearly does so, and occurred by accident.

Though there are theories of linguistics that hold that adjectives actually act by modifying definitions. They earn some legitimate support, in solving linguistic issues other theories retain. But they also have other issues, specifically with adjectives that, by definition, reaffirm definitions. For instance, "genuine." A genuine window is an object that... is actually a window. There has been no redefining of the noun, yet the adj makes sense.

Though the response to that worry is usually that these words are actually erroneous, and are used to mark the confidence of the speaker, rather than actually describe the noun in any way.

And this is why I stopped taking linguistics classes. lol


Yeah, except, they have a word for what you're talking about. It's called an accident, or accidental death, if you will. There's abosultely no reason to put "accidental" in front of "suicide." It makes no sense. There's no reason for it.
#59 May 10 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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But what about occidental suicides?


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#60 May 10 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
You, people, really, will, argue, about, anything.
Not really. I'm sure if you think not very hard for not very long you could come up with something that hasn't been argued about here.

The superiority of scalene triangles over their isosceles counterparts?


We've never argued that because that is wrong. Golden triangles are isosceles, thus cannot be inferior to scalene triangles.
Their is only one right triangle.

That's just stupid. There are, quite literally, billions of them.
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#61 May 10 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji would just argue that everyone else was wrong, even after a definition was linked...


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a : the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally especially by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind


Now the conditions have been met.


Edited, May 10th 2011 1:15pm by gbaji
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#62 May 10 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Pretty much shows that Managment and the owners of the company are only concerned with their profits over their employees welfare.
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#63 May 10 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, except, they have a word for what you're talking about. It's called an accident, or accidental death, if you will. There's abosultely no reason to put "accidental" in front of "suicide." It makes no sense. There's no reason for it.


There's an obvious reason--it's more detailed. An accidental death could be anything from getting hit by a meteorite to accidentally chugging a glass of bleach. I suppose "accidental self-inflicted death" would be just as descriptive though.
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#64 May 10 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty much shows that Managment and the owners of the company are only concerned with their profits over their employees welfare.
No shit. What the fuck did you think they manufactured in China for in the first place?
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#65 May 10 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Also, life insurance generally doesn't pay out to the families of suicide.


It's the company that's seeking the waiver, so presumably they are the ones who would pay the damages. While they might have their own insurance which might or might reimburse them, they would have a responsibility to pay either way.
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#66 May 10 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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If the suicide rate of workers at the company is actually particularly high, then the families might be able to make a damages case against them.

Part of me is wondering if this actually may be due to some sort of pathogen, not just the working environment. I mean, I doubt the factories are any worse than many other equally crappy jobs you could have in China.
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#67 May 10 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I fail to see the problem. Are we running out of Chinese people?

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#70 May 11 2011 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory wrote:
If the suicide rate of workers at the company is actually particularly high, then the families might be able to make a damages case against them.

Part of me is wondering if this actually may be due to some sort of pathogen, not just the working environment. I mean, I doubt the factories are any worse than many other equally crappy jobs you could have in China.

Possibly, but the working environment for the working class Chinese is killing them anyway, and it isn't surprising it makes people suicidally depressed.

Factory work pays better than farming. But typical factory work involves 16-18 hours a day (not 14) 7 days a week, 365 days a year, no sick days a year. Any factory worker who does take an hour off can easily be replaced. The common modern Chinese factory worker dies under the age of 30, from overwork.
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So what you're saying is, America sent all of its manufacturing jobs to China to kill off their population. Devious, but I'm not sure they thought through the economic ramifications.
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So what you're saying is, America sent all of its manufacturing jobs to China to kill off their population. Devious, but I'm not sure they thought through the economic ramifications.
Don't have to pay back if no one is around to receive the money.
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