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#27 May 10 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Possibly, dentists have a high rate of suicides.


Intentional, or accidental?


Is there such a thing as "accidental suicide?"


I think was the joke.

And I'm surprised at how callous people are. I also don't own any Apple products but this is pretty bad. $6 billion for first quarter profits and they can't pay the people assembling it a living wage. "Oh, these people are only committing suicide so their families can get a settlement." Yeah. How about you pay them enough to LIVE? Of course, whenever I'm feeling guilty about money, I dream about how a wrongful death lawsuit can bring in the big bucks.

Edited, May 10th 2011 12:20pm by Guenny
There are similar news stories about workers building Samsung products. Some broken-spirited oriental probably put a part into my Nooky (which, btw, i love more and more everyday). Apple claims to at least attempt to set some standards for it's suppliers. Who knows how sincere the efforts are. Here is their annual report on supplier responsibility.

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#28 May 10 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't even notice the pun. >.< The LSoH comment was because, in the play, a dentist ODs (or something) on nitrous oxide and then gets fed to the plant.
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#29 May 10 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
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Possibly, dentists have a high rate of suicides.


Intentional, or accidental?


Is there such a thing as "accidental suicide?"


Yes. There are actually quite a few cases where dentists have tried to use the nitrous to alter their consciousness and died because they didn't mix it correctly and had no one supervising.


Wouldn't that just be an accident, though? Or an overdose?


Well, since they accidentally killed themselves, it is both an accident and a suicide, and they weren't intentionally trying to commit suicide but were intentional in the act itself, so "accidental suicide".
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#30 May 10 2011 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Yes. There are actually quite a few cases where dentists have tried to use the nitrous to alter their consciousness and died because they didn't mix it correctly and had no one supervising.

How many are quite a few?
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#31 May 10 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Possibly, dentists have a high rate of suicides.


Intentional, or accidental?


Is there such a thing as "accidental suicide?"


Yes. There are actually quite a few cases where dentists have tried to use the nitrous to alter their consciousness and died because they didn't mix it correctly and had no one supervising.


Wouldn't that just be an accident, though? Or an overdose?


Well, since they accidentally killed themselves, it is both an accident and a suicide, and they weren't intentionally trying to commit suicide but were intentional in the act itself, so "accidental suicide".
No that's an overdose.
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I think the bigger problem is people accidentally killing themselves while on nitrous, rather than those that OD on them. I mean, a dentist would be using it in an environment with sharp instruments around, which would be hilarious to play with under the effect of laughing gas.

Especially if they remember that laughing gas disables their gag reflex when they see the pointy objects.
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$6 billion for first quarter profits and they can't pay the people assembling it a living wage.

Now I'm supposed to care about the standard of living in China as well?

Sorry, sister. That dog won't hunt.
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#35 May 10 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I think the bigger problem is people accidentally killing themselves while on nitrous, rather than those that OD on them. I mean, a dentist would be using it in an environment with sharp instruments around, which would be hilarious to play with under the effect of laughing gas.

Especially if they remember that laughing gas disables their gag reflex when they see the pointy objects.
There needs to be an awareness campaign. We can't just stand around while our dentists accidently suicide themselve with implements of toothy destruction.

I propose the start-up of the organization Forums Against Gaseous Sedation.
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#36 May 10 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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Well, since they accidentally killed themselves, it is both an accident and a suicide, and they weren't intentionally trying to commit suicide but were intentional in the act itself, so "accidental suicide".


But suicide is the intentional taking of ones life. How can one accidentally intentionally kill themselves?
#37 May 10 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't even notice the pun. >.< The LSoH comment was because, in the play, a dentist ODs (or something) on nitrous oxide and then gets fed to the plant.
Steve Martin was the bad-*** biker dentist. :D
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How can one accidentally intentionally kill themselves?
Not sure, but I bet Rebecca Black would be involved.
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#39 May 10 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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But suicide is the intentional taking of ones life. How can one accidentally intentionally kill themselves?


But you can consider accidental suicide to be something fundamentally different from suicide.

That is to say, the person intentionally took a course of action, and that action ended their life, but the ends were not the motivation (either because they were unknown, unlikely or somehow irrelevant).

I largely agree with you--suicide is intentional self-murder. Suicide modified by the adjective "accidental" is an oxymoron.

But I have no problem accepting "accidental suicide" to be a separate term with its own definition that is merely reminiscent of the root words (which really isn't that uncommon in English... at all).
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#40 May 10 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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But suicide is the intentional taking of ones life. How can one accidentally intentionally kill themselves?


But you can consider accidental suicide to be something fundamentally different from suicide.

That is to say, the person intentionally took a course of action, and that action ended their life, but the ends were not the motivation (either because they were unknown, unlikely or somehow irrelevant).

I largely agree with you--suicide is intentional self-murder. Suicide modified by the adjective "accidental" is an oxymoron.

But I have no problem accepting "accidental suicide" to be a separate term with its own definition that is merely reminiscent of the root words (which really isn't that uncommon in English... at all).


I suppose. It seems pretty silly to me, but whatever. So long as you know it's an oxymoron and makes no sense.

It seemed that Timelord was actually trying to argue that accidental suicide can, indeed, happen. I disagree.
#41 May 10 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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But suicide is the intentional taking of ones life. How can one accidentally intentionally kill themselves?


But you can consider accidental suicide to be something fundamentally different from suicide.

That is to say, the person intentionally took a course of action, and that action ended their life, but the ends were not the motivation (either because they were unknown, unlikely or somehow irrelevant).

So you want to just replace accidental death with accidental suicide?
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#42 May 10 2011 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't fall for it Belkira. They're trolling you right now. There's no such thing as an accidental suicide. Its an accidental death. They're just trying to place more people in purgatory.

Edited, May 10th 2011 3:19pm by Uglysasquatch
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#43 May 10 2011 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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So you want to just replace accidental death with accidental suicide?


Lol, fine. Except that accidental suicide would be a death you still caused, even if unintentionally. An accidental death isn't so specific (but is the proper term).

But accidental suicide still works as a term if you wish to be more specific. It's not perfect, since it actually refers to accidental self-murder (which does not require intention).

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This just made me wonder... can a Buddhist commit suicide? I mean, if you don't believe that the physical world even exists, you don't believe in death. So you can't intentionally kill yourself...

Edited, May 10th 2011 2:24pm by idiggory
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Possibly, dentists have a high rate of suicides.


Intentional, or accidental?


Is there such a thing as "accidental suicide?"


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Lol, fine. Except that accidental suicide would be a death you still caused, even if unintentionally. An accidental death isn't so specific (but is the proper term).

But accidental suicide still works as a term if you wish to be more specific. It's not perfect, since it actually refers to accidental self-murder (which does not require intention).
You've been reading far too much gbaji if you actually believe this.
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#46 May 10 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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But accidental suicide still works as a term if you wish to be more specific. It's not perfect, since it actually refers to accidental self-murder (which does not require intention).


Or, you could just say they had an accident...
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I never claimed it's something that should be an official definition, nor did I try to redefine suicide to suit my needs. So it's not really a gbaji like inference. I'm just saying that accidental suicide, while technically illogical, is only such because suicide demands intention.

If you ignore that part of the definition (which I'm making clear that I'm doing), you have no problem.

Gbaji would just argue that everyone else was wrong, even after a definition was linked...
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#51 May 10 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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I never claimed it's something that should be an official definition, nor did I try to redefine suicide to suit my needs. So it's not really a gbaji like inference. I'm just saying that accidental suicide, while technically illogical, is only such because suicide demands intention.

If you ignore that part of the definition (which I'm making clear that I'm doing), you have no problem.

Gbaji would just argue that everyone else was wrong, even after a definition was linked...
Right. And it's perfectly logical to call a red grape a red cherry because if you ignore the grape part it's just another little round red fruit.
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