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#402 May 04 2011 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some Republicans have publicly commended President Obama by name: George W. Bush, **** Cheney, Tom Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Donald Trump.

True that. I've even named some of the guys who commended Obama by name. I was pointing out how the dipshits we have around here would rather throw fits and pout than show a modicum of class.

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Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
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Re: Torture, via AP...
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Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.


Going off this, also in the article I linked:
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Before a day had passed, the torture debate had flared. The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, told Fox News that the success of the hunt for Bin Laden was due to waterboarding. The next morning, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said just as flatly that “none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices.”
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#404varusword75, Posted: May 04 2011 at 9:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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You want to congratulate someone try starting with the men who gathered the intel and carried out the mission.


Already been done, bud. Many, many times. You don't bother reading, remember? If you did, maybe you'd know it Smiley: nod
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#406 May 04 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.
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You think giving Obama, not the military but Obama

I've no issue giving the military credit, the intelligence community credit and even giving Bush a measure of credit. Why would I?

The other day, I was listening to Michael Savage for a few minutes in the car and he said (paraphrased since I don't have a direct quote):
"I can give the president credit for this without agreeing with his policies. I think his policies are terrible and are Marxist policies. I think the president is a Marxist. But it looks as though a Marxist can be very, very good at killing evil men and I have to congratulate him for that."

It was pretty funny that friggin' lunatic Michael Savage could understand that you can praise one action without "losing" but people like Gbaji and Varus can't grasp this.

Edited, May 4th 2011 11:33am by Jophiel
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#408 May 04 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.
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You think giving Obama, not the military but Obama
I've no issue giving the military credit, the intelligence community credit and even giving Bush a measure of credit. Why would I?
Don't forget Clinton, since that's when this really started.
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Don't forget Clinton

I refuse to give Clinton any credit!! So THERE!! Smiley: mad
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If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

Edited, May 4th 2011 12:36pm by Ailitardif
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#412 May 04 2011 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Ailitardif wrote:
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If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

I made my position perfectly clear on the subject 5 pages ago.

Keep up or GTFO.
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Ailitardif wrote:
If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

I made my position perfectly clear on the subject 5 pages ago.

Keep up or GTFO.

Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.
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Ailitardif wrote:
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Ailitardif wrote:
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Ailitardif wrote:
If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

I made my position perfectly clear on the subject 5 pages ago.

Keep up or GTFO.

Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.

Actually, we're all Borg. Join us, Ailitardif... assimilate!
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#415 May 04 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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Ailitardif wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Ailitardif wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Ailitardif wrote:
If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

I made my position perfectly clear on the subject 5 pages ago.

Keep up or GTFO.

Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.


Yeah I'm confused. Those points don't sound mutually exclusive to me.
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Ailitardif wrote:
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Ailitardif wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Ailitardif wrote:
If you are going to blame obama for the economy, you have to give him credit for this.

You have a growth on your shoulders. Perhaps you should get it looked at.

I don't see how people can blame the president for what is wrong and not give him credit for what is right. Maybe you could explain it without your wicked original and clever burns (you can't top the pet rock one I bet).

I made my position perfectly clear on the subject 5 pages ago.

Keep up or GTFO.

Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.


Yeah I'm confused. Those points don't sound mutually exclusive to me.

I don't think he likes it when people agree with him.
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President Barack Obama has decided not to release a photo of Osama bin Laden's body as evidence of his death, an administration official briefed by the White House told CNN Wednesday.

The president was "never in favor" of releasing a photo, a senior Democratic official close to the White House said. The president noted that few credible people have questioned the death and that conspiracy theorists would not be satisfied with a photo, the official said.

Obama's position was supported by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Democratic official said.

The president's inner circle was not happy with CIA Director Leon Panetta's remarks on the matter Tuesday, the Democratic official said.

Inside Navy SEAL operations Imam talks bin Laden's death and beyond Bin Laden's legacy in London Family's loss in hunt for bin Laden
Panetta said Tuesday that he believed a photo would be released at some point. "I just think it's important -- they know we have it, to release it," Panetta said.

White House spokesman Jay Carney noted Tuesday that there were "sensitivities here in terms of the appropriateness of releasing photographs of Osama bin Laden in the aftermath" of the killing.

House Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in the House of Representatives, "supports the president's decision," Boehner's spokesman Michael Steel told CNN Wednesday.


Good on them. I agree - the doubters would still doubt, from the sound of it there's no much left of his upper head anyway, and it's the equivalent of putting his head on a spike outside of the White House gate. Serves only to inflame our enemies, doesn't stop doubters, and feeds into our already uncomfortably high love of gruesome death in this country.
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Well I won't believe he is dead unless I get to stick my **** in the hole where his eye used to be.
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#419 May 04 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.

Because you're redundant and superfluous.
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Palin wouldn't commend him publicly if he saved the lives of her entire family so don't hold your breath there.
Palin didn't retreat but rather reloaded her Twitter account and wrote:
Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it's part of the mission

There ya go. Can't acknowledge anything the president does right but whines about a decision and needs to lecture Obama about what "the mission" is. No wonder Gbaji loves her.


Edited, May 4th 2011 3:04pm by Jophiel
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Some Republicans have publicly commended President Obama by name: George W. Bush, **** Cheney, Tom Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Donald Trump. Palin wouldn't commend him publicly if he saved the lives of her entire family so don't hold your breath there.


Palin did publicly thank her President for killing Osama. President Bush.
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Speaking of, Obama called Bush the night of the mission. Pelosi has also called Bush to thank him. Meanwhile, not a single one of the usual suspects has said peep to commend the President of the United States.


You're being pretty selective about your "usual suspects". Bush congratulated Obama. As did McCain. As has, as far as I know, every single major elected Republican. Are you suggesting that Pelosi and Obama doing the right thing is to be compared with the posters on random blogs not doing so? That seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

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Hey, Gbaji, remember when Obama was elected and you acted all smug about how Republicans show "class and respect" towards the President? Hahahahahaha... that was great. Stay classy, Republicans!


Yeah. Still holds true.
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That's not the usual suspects I thought he was referring to.
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#424 May 04 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're being pretty selective about your "usual suspects".

Not at all. As I said, it refers to the Republican dipshits who post here. You, Varus, ThiefX... I suppose Totem hasn't posted so maybe he'll break the streak.
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Yeah. Still holds true.

Haha... yeah. More than you could ever know :D
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That's not the usual suspects I thought he was referring to.

Oh, he knows. Trying to deflect is easier than admitting the truth to himself.

Edited, May 4th 2011 4:21pm by Jophiel
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Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.

Because you're redundant and superfluous.

So be **** at the idiots who made it necessary for me to reiterate your badass point.
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Some Republicans have publicly commended President Obama by name: George W. Bush, **** Cheney, Tom Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Donald Trump. Palin wouldn't commend him publicly if he saved the lives of her entire family so don't hold your breath there.


Palin did publicly thank her President for killing Osama. President Bush.


I like when she says things, it makes more and more people realize that she's a complete tool.
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Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.

Because you're redundant and superfluous.

So be **** at the idiots who made it necessary for me to reiterate your badass point.
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You're being pretty selective about your "usual suspects".

Not at all. As I said, it refers to the Republican dipshits who post here. You, Varus, ThiefX... I suppose Totem hasn't posted so maybe he'll break the streak.

Finally.
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Finally.

See? That was intentional, Sunshine.
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Ok, so why are you even responding to me? There are other people on this forum, some of them aren't you.

Because you're redundant and superfluous.

So be **** at the idiots who made it necessary for me to reiterate your badass point.
Hurts when your panties ride up, does it?


I meant badass as a compliment. I like you :)
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You're being pretty selective about your "usual suspects". Bush congratulated Obama. As did McCain. As has, as far as I know, every single major elected Republican. Are you suggesting that Pelosi and Obama doing the right thing is to be compared with the posters on random blogs not doing so? That seems like a bit of a stretch to me.


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That's not the usual suspects I thought he was referring to.


Jophiel wrote:
Not at all. As I said, it refers to the Republican dipshits who post here.


A simple "Yes, I'm moronically comparing apples to oranges" would have sufficed.
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If you're going to bring up Pelosi and Obama, then compare them to similar political leaders of the other party. If you want to talk about Varus, then you need to show me some liberals from DailyKOS thanking Bush as Pelosi and Obama did. Cause that would be a rational comparison, right?
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And you! Don't forget you! :)
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I love watching Gbaji flail around when he's utterly missed the point and finally realizes it.

I love that he would rather huff and **** and moan than actually, you know, commend the president. It's sad but it reinforces everything we know about him.
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I love watching Gbaji flail around when he's utterly missed the point and finally realizes it.

I love that he would rather huff and **** and moan than actually, you know, commend the president. It's sad but it reinforces everything we know about him.


Brace yourself for the small, grudging compliment, followed by 6 paragraph caveat.
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I like when she says things, it makes more and more people realize that she's a complete tool.
She might be the only possible runner that has less of a chance than Trump.
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That's cute you're trying to think again.


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Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.


Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?


I don't think it was tortured out of him. THat doesn't get you results.


It's possible I was wrong on this. Varus, I apologize for calling you a moron THIS time.

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They buried him at sea because they didn't want his grave to end up like Jim Morrison's.



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And you! Don't forget you! :)


I'm sorry? Where did I ever question or condemn Obama's actions here? I happen to think he did the right thing, and I'm glad he did it. I just don't tend to post in "me too!" type threads. I suppose we could all rattle off "this is great!" posts for a day or three I suppose, but that's not really my thing. Had the same thing happened while Bush was president I wouldn't have posted about how great it was either.

You'll note I also almost never post in ding threads either. Same reason. Don't get your panties in a bunch over it.
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I love watching Gbaji flail around when he's utterly missed the point and finally realizes it.

I love that he would rather huff and **** and moan than actually, you know, commend the president. It's sad but it reinforces everything we know about him.


Brace yourself for the small, grudging compliment, followed by 6 paragraph caveat.


Hadn't read this before writing that last reply. I'm sure you'll try to claim that's what I was doing. Knock yourself out I guess.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch over it.

It's adorable that you equate me laughing at you with "getting my panties in a bunch".

I bet that helps you get through a lot :D
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I love watching Gbaji flail around when he's utterly missed the point and finally realizes it.

I love that he would rather huff and **** and moan than actually, you know, commend the president. It's sad but it reinforces everything we know about him.


Brace yourself for the small, grudging compliment, followed by 6 paragraph caveat.


Hadn't read this before writing that last reply. I'm sure you'll try to claim that's what I was doing. Knock yourself out I guess.


What? That's your go-to move in these situations. That, or the other version: small, grudging compliment followed by rigging an irrelevant side argument to take out your frustrations on.

As in:

"Well sure, everyone agrees that (insert liberal thing) was good. But that's not important. What really matters, and what nobody here is talking about, is (insert conservative talking point)."

Those, or jump in to inexplicably try to defend varus' trolling arguments.

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Um... But not here, right? I have mentioned *nothing* about this, yet Joph just assumed that I for some bizarre reason must have some hate-on for Obama with regard to this operation? I don't. I just don't tend to post in "horray!" type threads. It's not like my posting habits aren't pretty clear by now, so please don't assume by my lack of "OMG! This is so great, and hats of to Obama for finally getting this done", that I'm secretly sitting around stewing about how to come up with a way to criticize him about this.


IIRC the only thing I posted about in this thread was someone trying to make some lame point that McCain wouldn't have done the same operation if the conditions had come up based on statements made during the 2008 campaign. Honestly, I've seen more liberals trying to criticize conservatives over this than the other way around, but let's just ignore all the "Bush failed to do this for X years", and "Bush said he didn't care where OBL was", and "McCain said he wouldn't do this" BS. That doesn't count as trying to use what should be something we can all be proud of as some kind of partisan attack, right?


There are planks in your eyes guys. Might want to look to that first.
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IIRC the only thing I posted about in this thread was someone trying to make some lame point that McCain wouldn't have done the same operation if the conditions had come up based on statements made during the 2008 campaign.

Nah, you posted a lame defense of your earlier statements regarding Obama and Pakistan in which you completely misrepresented what he said and your response to it.

You might want to at least be accurate (and honest) about your own dork-ups before lecturing anyone else on planks :D
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I like when she says things, it makes more and more people realize that she's a complete tool.
She might be the only possible runner that has less of a chance than Trump.


No writer in the universe could invent a better conservative caricature than Palin. That **** is comedy gold.
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#447ThiefX, Posted: May 04 2011 at 7:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow how incredibly generous of you to give George W a measure of credit considering...........
#448 May 04 2011 at 7:37 PM Rating: Default
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IIRC the only thing I posted about in this thread was someone trying to make some lame point that McCain wouldn't have done the same operation if the conditions had come up based on statements made during the 2008 campaign.

Nah, you posted a lame defense of your earlier statements regarding Obama and Pakistan in which you completely misrepresented what he said and your response to it.


You're right. There was another post talking about what McCain and Bush said, but I only responded to yours. Um... Are you honestly suggesting that you didn't post that statement as a contrast to Republicans? You didn't mean "Good thing we elected Obama, because he promised to do this sort of attack and the Republican's were against it!"? Cause that sure seemed to be your intent to me.

But I'm sure this is where you insist you had no purpose in posting that at all. Just stating some facts I guess! Um... right. You were taking a stab at the GOP, just like you're condemning Varus and Theif for doing in the other direction.

Again. Check that plank. Heck. You were the very first person in this thread to make a directly partisan post (excepting Ugly's "GOP 2010" post, which I couldn't tell if it was sarcastic or not). So it's more than a bit unfair for you to be the one jumping around condemning conservatives for taking partisan positions on this. I'll point out again that I don't go running off to DailyKOS to read what the nutty liberals there are saying and then hold you to account for it. Yet, that's exactly what you did, isn't it? You actually chose to go to freerepublic to read what the nutty conservatives were saying so you could post here about it.


Dunno. I just find that to be bizarre behavior. And then to follow that up with some statement about how the Dems are being classy because Pelosi and Obama gave Bush credit, but the GOP aren't because random conservative posters on the interwebs weren't? At some point, doesn't it occur to you that if you look hard enough for something, you'll find it? I mean, seriously? You thought that was a reasonable thing to say?
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#449 May 04 2011 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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That was a shot at Varus.
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#450 May 04 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
You're right.

Thanks.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#451 May 04 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You're right.

Thanks.


So... Not willing to acknowledge that your statement about Obama's campaign answer about Pakistan was a backhanded attack on Republicans? Just curious.
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