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I don't think that reverance or respect for the dead needs the dead to be hidden from sight completely. It is the attitude that you bring, as a witness to a dead body, that matters, not the display and witnessing of a dead body, per se.
I don't think that reverance or respect for the dead needs the dead to be hidden from sight completely. It is the attitude that you bring, as a witness to a dead body, that matters, not the display and witnessing of a dead body, per se.
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Jophiel wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
What happened to the asylum.. it feels so.. domesticated..
Tare's Law!
Was that the one about the bagels, or the one about gnomes?
Gnomes eating bagels while kidnapped, I believe.
varusword75 wrote:
Paula,
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
Quote:
Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
I win.
Almalieque wrote:
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God bless Lili St. Cyr
Bardalicious wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Paula,
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
Quote:
Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
I win.
Unless Trump wins, then we go ahead and take it, whether they like it or not.
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Bardalicious wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Paula,
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
Quote:
Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!
Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.
I win.
So it isn't even blood for oil? Just blood for nothing? That sucks.
LockeColeMA wrote:
Unless Trump wins,
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Current Time Killer
varusword75 wrote:
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
Makes sense. Likewise, I should pour gasoline over my neighbor's lawn tonight without his consent, set it on fire and then mail him a bill for getting rid of his grubworms.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Senator Toomey (R-PA) wrote:
In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
paulsol wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Public opinion is not entirely based on what flavor of politics you preach, and more precisely, is based on your general douche-baggery level.
Yeah. That must be it.
Spoiler alert:
It is.
varusword75 wrote:
Locked,
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
I also thought we were supposed to be getting some oil to offset our costs. I think that was where the "no blood for oil" slogans came from.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
Makes sense. Likewise, I should pour gasoline over my neighbor's lawn tonight without his consent, set it on fire and then mail him a bill for getting rid of his grubworms.
Good plan, needs more civilian casualties though.
varusword75 wrote:
Locked,
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
Whatever happened to the concept of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator for the sake of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator. That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.
Greed is a nasty thing once it takes root in your heat Varus.
#swaggerjacker
Criminy wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Locked,
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
Whatever happened to the concept of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator for the sake of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator. That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.
Greed is a nasty thing once it takes root in your heat Varus.
Now I'm sad that we didn't get free beer and brats for that war.
Criminy wrote:
]That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.
Whoa, hold on a second... I'm having second thoughts about the concept now.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Criminy wrote:
]That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.
Whoa, hold on a second... I'm having second thoughts about the concept now.
Yes blood for brats and beer!
Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a sexy, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3
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Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a sexy, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3
Did i put this in the wrong place?
Did i put this in the wrong place?
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Elinda wrote:
Did i put this in the wrong place?
I think I may need an ACE card.
George Carlin wrote:
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Ailitardif wrote:
I also thought we were supposed to be getting some oil to offset our costs. I think that was where the "no blood for oil" slogans came from.
"We" being "US based oil companies who could bid on producing the newly liberated Iraqi oil fields". With the fantasy that the US would somehow recoup its war costs through tax revenue on them or something. The reality quickly set in that simply rehabbing the fields and infrastructure would wipe out profits through the near future and that most of the largest companies able to exploit them in their condition were't even US firms.
The other facet was the idea that seizing the fields would stabilize oil prices and keep them lower since there would be a larger global reserve under "friendly" control. We all see how well that's worked out.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Senator Toomey (R-PA) wrote:
In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
Elinda wrote:
Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a sexy, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3
Did i put this in the wrong place?
Did i put this in the wrong place?
Depends. Do you enjoy anal?
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a sexy, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3
Did i put this in the wrong place?
Did i put this in the wrong place?
Depends. Do you enjoy anal?
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#324varusword75,
Posted: May 03 2011 at 9:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
varusword75 wrote:
Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.
Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.
Really? I thought it was this.
The article wrote:
WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.
That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.
The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.
That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.
The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.
It's only been splashed all over the news lately, moron.
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varusword75 wrote:
Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
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Belkira wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.
Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.
Really? I thought it was this.
The article wrote:
WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.
That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.
The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.
That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.
The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.
It's only been splashed all over the news lately, moron.
It's not as though they magically knew which phone to tap or who the courier was.
ITT: varus approves of Obama's victory.
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varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,
That's cute you're trying to think again.
Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?
That's cute you're trying to think again.
Quote:
Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.
Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?
I don't think it was tortured out of him. THat doesn't get you results.
Kurt Vonnegut (1922-2007) wrote:
I am eternally grateful.. for my knack of finding in great books, some of them very funny books, reason enough to feel honored to be alive, no matter what else might be going on.
Only if you're paranoi-- oh, right.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Current Time Killer
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,
That's cute you're trying to think again.
Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?
That's cute you're trying to think again.
Quote:
Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.
Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?
I can't say for sure, but they probably didn't ask nicely. It really depends on who was questioning him. That was back when Bush was president so I think they mainly used torture, but I think non-torture method were more effective, so they may have been nice. Can't say for sure without the files, which I would guess are TS.
Quote:
Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?
Nope. I have an idea of how they got the information, and honestly, I couldn't care any less as to the legality of it.
Quote:
And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
In the case of Afghanistan, we invaded a country without a declaration of war, despite the fact that, using a little known(at least in the US south) thing called diplomacy, the Taliban would likely have handed Osama over in exchange for the evidence against him.
In the case of Iraq, you invaded a country without a declaration of war, without evidence, and without any regard for the people of that nation.
In both cases, the idea of making those countries re-imburse you, strikes me as being nearly as dumb as the reparations that Germany was forced to pay at the end of WWI(which, by the way, created an atmosphere that was perfect for a hostile dictator to take over, and would likely cause the same thing now) for a war they didn't even start.
I'm betting you've never opened a history book in your life. You're supposed to learn from the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.
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Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
varusword75 wrote:
Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.
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I don't think that reverance or respect for the dead needs the dead to be hidden from sight completely. It is the attitude that you bring, as a witness to a dead body, that matters, not the display and witnessing of a dead body, per se.
I don't think that reverance or respect for the dead needs the dead to be hidden from sight completely. It is the attitude that you bring, as a witness to a dead body, that matters, not the display and witnessing of a dead body, per se.
Aripyanfar wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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There's a pretty broad spectrum between "asking nicely" and "waterboarding" (or whatever else). Unless someone wants to go on record as saying this information was gained via waterboarding only after all prior methods had failed, claiming that this vindicates anything is just grasping at straws.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Senator Toomey (R-PA) wrote:
In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
Aripyanfar wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.
Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.
Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.
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varusword75 wrote:
Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
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Reading your posts is torture.
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varusword75 wrote:
Fact is we know waterboarding works. Would you rather us just dismember our captives piece by piece to get the intelligence they have?
Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.
Fact is while Obama said he was against these techniques he's more than willing to use the intel gathered.
Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.
Fact is while Obama said he was against these techniques he's more than willing to use the intel gathered.
varusword75 wrote:
It's not like I actually fact check, or read, most of the sh*t I cut and paste and post.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.
Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.
Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.
Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.
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varusword75 wrote:
Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.
The fact is we know no such thing. The fact is that the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has said the opposite, and that is the only concrete statement we have to go on. Mr. Rumsfeld eluded to the possibility that it was employed in interviews, but no one from the current, or previous, administration has said it was used.
The only fact you present in your post, or any that you make for that matter, is that you are, unequivocally, a f'ucking idiot.
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varusword75 wrote:
Moe,
BS....cutting a person up piece by piece is torture.
Quote:
Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid
BS....cutting a person up piece by piece is torture.
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Elinda wrote:
I guess if one is ok with torture, waterboarding seems like a win/win technique - it's effective yet doesn't leave a mark. Pulling off limbs, thumb screws and electical shocks can leave you with a messy liability.
I don't mind marks, either. That's for people trying to win a media window.
Elinda wrote:
Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.
The only truly fortunate thing for humanity is that even though there are a great many people who think themselves too "evolved" to acknowledge the facts of life, there are still quite a few of us who understand that some people just don't respond to "please".
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varusword75 wrote:
And you know all about being a f*cking idiot.
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