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#302 May 03 2011 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
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#304varusword75, Posted: May 03 2011 at 7:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Paula,
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Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!


Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.


none?

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Paula,

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Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!


Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.


none?

I win.

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Paula,

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Bearing in mind that wars are most often about stealing someone elses land and/or resources, what makes you think that the ones being fought at the moment are any different? Because Bush/Obama said they wern't? Awesome reasoning!


Remind me again how much free oil we're getting from afghanistan and iraq.


none?

I win.


So it isn't even blood for oil? Just blood for nothing? That sucks.
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Unless Trump wins,
Thankfully he doesn't have a realistic chance. Unfortunately, realism doesn't exist for some people.
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#309varusword75, Posted: May 03 2011 at 7:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.

Makes sense. Likewise, I should pour gasoline over my neighbor's lawn tonight without his consent, set it on fire and then mail him a bill for getting rid of his grubworms.
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Public opinion is not entirely based on what flavor of politics you preach, and more precisely, is based on your general douche-baggery level.



Yeah. That must be it.


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#312 May 03 2011 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.
I think genocidal would be a better description.

I also thought we were supposed to be getting some oil to offset our costs. I think that was where the "no blood for oil" slogans came from.
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#313 May 03 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.

Makes sense. Likewise, I should pour gasoline over my neighbor's lawn tonight without his consent, set it on fire and then mail him a bill for getting rid of his grubworms.

Good plan, needs more civilian casualties though.
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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.


Whatever happened to the concept of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator for the sake of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator. That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.

Greed is a nasty thing once it takes root in your heat Varus.
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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.


Whatever happened to the concept of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator for the sake of liberating a country from a homicidal dictator. That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.

Greed is a nasty thing once it takes root in your heat Varus.


Now I'm sad that we didn't get free beer and brats for that war.
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]That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.


Whoa, hold on a second... I'm having second thoughts about the concept now.
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]That's like expecting Germany to supply the US with free beer and bratwurst anytime we want for getting rid of Hitler.


Whoa, hold on a second... I'm having second thoughts about the concept now.

Yes blood for brats and beer!
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Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a ****, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3
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Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a ****, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3

Did i put this in the wrong place?
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Did i put this in the wrong place?
I believe its the right place, but I can't build up the motivation to check due to my CRUSHING disappointment at the lack of free bratwurst and beer.

I think I may need an ACE card.
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I also thought we were supposed to be getting some oil to offset our costs. I think that was where the "no blood for oil" slogans came from.

"We" being "US based oil companies who could bid on producing the newly liberated Iraqi oil fields". With the fantasy that the US would somehow recoup its war costs through tax revenue on them or something. The reality quickly set in that simply rehabbing the fields and infrastructure would wipe out profits through the near future and that most of the largest companies able to exploit them in their condition were't even US firms.

The other facet was the idea that seizing the fields would stabilize oil prices and keep them lower since there would be a larger global reserve under "friendly" control. We all see how well that's worked out.
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Paulsol's comments makes my grasp on reality feel pretty solid...and who can't love a ****, long-haired surfin' kiwi. <3

Did i put this in the wrong place?

Depends. Do you enjoy ****?
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Did i put this in the wrong place?

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#324varusword75, Posted: May 03 2011 at 9:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
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Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?

Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.


Really? I thought it was this.

The article wrote:
WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.


It's only been splashed all over the news lately, moron.
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Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?
By liberal, you mean anyone left of you, right? In that case, I do!
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Does this mean you liberals now support enhanced interrogation techniques?

Of course you realize that much of the intel that led to this was obtained in this fashion.


Really? I thought it was this.

The article wrote:
WASHINGTON – When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.


It's only been splashed all over the news lately, moron.

It's not as though they magically knew which phone to tap or who the courier was.
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That's cute you're trying to think again.


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Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.


Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?


I don't think it was tortured out of him. THat doesn't get you results.
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That's cute you're trying to think again.


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Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.


Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?

I can't say for sure, but they probably didn't ask nicely. It really depends on who was questioning him. That was back when Bush was president so I think they mainly used torture, but I think non-torture method were more effective, so they may have been nice. Can't say for sure without the files, which I would guess are TS.
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Do you just think they asked Ghul nicely to get that info?


Nope. I have an idea of how they got the information, and honestly, I couldn't care any less as to the legality of it.


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And I think there's something to be said for having the country re-imburse us for the cost of liberating them from a homicidal dictator.


In the case of Afghanistan, we invaded a country without a declaration of war, despite the fact that, using a little known(at least in the US south) thing called diplomacy, the Taliban would likely have handed Osama over in exchange for the evidence against him.

In the case of Iraq, you invaded a country without a declaration of war, without evidence, and without any regard for the people of that nation.

In both cases, the idea of making those countries re-imburse you, strikes me as being nearly as dumb as the reparations that Germany was forced to pay at the end of WWI(which, by the way, created an atmosphere that was perfect for a hostile dictator to take over, and would likely cause the same thing now) for a war they didn't even start.

I'm betting you've never opened a history book in your life. You're supposed to learn from the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.
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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.


EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.
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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.[/b]
To know that would require fact checking and research.
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There's a pretty broad spectrum between "asking nicely" and "waterboarding" (or whatever else). Unless someone wants to go on record as saying this information was gained via waterboarding only after all prior methods had failed, claiming that this vindicates anything is just grasping at straws.
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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.


EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.

Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.
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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.
Actually, it is, but that's a semantics debate I suppose. What matters is if it works, and if so, I don't care if it is torture.
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Fact is we know waterboarding works. Would you rather us just dismember our captives piece by piece to get the intelligence they have?

Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.

Fact is while Obama said he was against these techniques he's more than willing to use the intel gathered.
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It's not like I actually fact check, or read, most of the sh*t I cut and paste and post.
This quote is going to go miles.
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Well waterboarding isn't torture so you're right.


EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE WATERBOARDED IN OREDER TO PROVE THAT WATERBOARDING ISN'T TORTURE HAS TAPPED OUT IN UNDER TEN SECONDS AND DECLARED THAT BEING WATERBOARDED WAS TORTURE.

Denying that waterboarding is torture is, has always been, and will forevermore be, stupid, and I am not surprised that the people making the claim make it.

Fortunately for me I don't care that it is torture, as I believe in the effectiveness of a little aggressive interrogation. I think we should do more of it.
I guess if one is ok with torture, waterboarding seems like a win/win technique - it's effective yet doesn't leave a mark. Pulling off limbs, thumb screws and electical shocks can leave you with a messy liability.

Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.
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Fact is waterboarding directly lead to Osama being killed.

The fact is we know no such thing. The fact is that the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has said the opposite, and that is the only concrete statement we have to go on. Mr. Rumsfeld eluded to the possibility that it was employed in interviews, but no one from the current, or previous, administration has said it was used.

The only fact you present in your post, or any that you make for that matter, is that you are, unequivocally, a f'ucking idiot.
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BS....cutting a person up piece by piece is torture.
You can only cut off so much many pieces before you simply have stew meat. What then?

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I guess if one is ok with torture, waterboarding seems like a win/win technique - it's effective yet doesn't leave a mark. Pulling off limbs, thumb screws and electical shocks can leave you with a messy liability.

I don't mind marks, either. That's for people trying to win a media window.
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Fortunately, on the evolutionary highway of humanity, I think most of us have passed by the pain-for-info mile-marker. Hopefully the rest will catch up.

The only truly fortunate thing for humanity is that even though there are a great many people who think themselves too "evolved" to acknowledge the facts of life, there are still quite a few of us who understand that some people just don't respond to "please".
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And you know all about being a f*cking idiot.
You provide plenty of research material.
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