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#102 May 01 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was happy to hear the news that Osama had been killed and was more than willing to give Obama his due and "pat on the back" right up until I heard his speech.

Hahahaha... right. And then you just HAD to run over here and start bawling about it.

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#103 May 01 2011 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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Well, he has more class than you, I guess. He could actually swallow his pride and congratulate the President of the United States for this event.


Thanks for the quote and for proving how much more of a class act George W is compared to Barry.

I was happy to hear the news that Osama had been killed and was more than willing to give Obama his due and "pat on the back" right up until I heard his speech.

For Barry to come out and say "When I took office I made killing Osama the top priority" is the the most sad and pathetic statement I have ever heard Obama utter.

For him to try and even hint that it wasn't a top priority during the last administration that it wasn't important until he deemed it so shows what a sad pathetic little man Obama really is.

Edited, May 1st 2011 10:26pm by ThiefX


I think you're reading into things that don't exist. He didn't criticize the Bush administration in any way. Also, you're fucking retarded.
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For Barry to come out and say "When I took office I made killing Osama the top priority" is the the most sad and pathetic statement I have ever heard Obama utter.

For him to try and even hint that it wasn't a top priority during the last administration that it wasn't important until he deemed it so shows what a sad pathetic little man Obama really is.


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G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 wrote:
‎"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."



Obama 05/01/11 wrote:
"Shortly after taking office I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the capture or death of Osama Bin Laden the highest priority of the war on terror..."



/thumbs up.



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Edited, May 1st 2011 10:32pm by stupidmonkey
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If Bush was still in office he would have had enough class to give the credit to the people who deserved it (The men and women of the armed forces and the intelligence community) i


Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice. - Obama tonight


The transcript is up on a hundred sites, there are about 4 more direct thanks and kudos to the work put in by intelligence and military servicemen/women and their amazing work that led to this conclusion. It is a shame that a complete disconnect with the reality of the situation and being so polarized politically caused you to be neglectful of the praise these people deserve.

/shrug



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Right? I think he overplayed his hand in what was clearly an election strategy, but I never felt like he wasn't giving the armed forces the recognition they deserved. I think you could cut out the "I gave the go ahead" parts of the speech, and it would still be perfectly acceptable as far as giving credit where it's due. There's nothing else that needed to be said.

And I'm happy that he made sure to be clear that Osama was a terrorist not just to the US, but to the Muslim peoples as well. WAY too many people fail to understand that more Muslims have died to Al Qaeda's deeds than all the other cultural groups combined.

I wasn't thrilled with his glossing over of how we entered the war, and why, but I'll ignore it because it wasn't his doing and there was no reason for this speech to become politicized over partisan issues.
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John McCain is going to be happy and I can't wait to see his speech/announcement.
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Right? I think he overplayed his hand in what was clearly an election strategy, but I never felt like he wasn't giving the armed forces the recognition they deserved. I think you could cut out the "I gave the go ahead" parts of the speech, and it would still be perfectly acceptable as far as giving credit where it's due. There's nothing else that needed to be said.


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For him to try and even hint that it wasn't a top priority during the last administration that it wasn't important until he deemed it so shows what a sad pathetic little man Obama really is.
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G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 wrote:
‎"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
Obama 05/01/11 wrote:
"Shortly after taking office I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the capture or death of Osama Bin Laden the highest priority of the war on terror..."
/thumbs up.

Even better was in August '07 when Obama said that if he had actionable intelligence about high-level al'Qaeda elements in Pakistan, he would act on it and everyone started screaming about how this was the stupidest thing ever and it meant Obama was going to invade Pakistan.
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John McCain is going to be happy and I can't wait to see his speech/announcement.
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I am overjoyed that we finally got the world's top terrorist. The world is a better and more just place now that Osama bin Laden is no longer in it. I hope the families of the victims of the September 11th attacks will sleep easier tonight and every night hence knowing that justice has been done. I commend the President and his team, as well as our men and women in uniform and our intelligence professionals, for this superb achievement.

But while we take heart in the news that Osama bin Laden is dead, we must be mindful that al-Qaeda and its terrorist allies are still lethal and determined enemies, and we must remain vigilant to defeat them.
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Obama clearly has to announce giving the go-ahead since it was his, and his alone to decide. An operation of this magnitude would not be decided by the usual military/intelligence hierarchy. He simply stated that after sufficient evidence was gathered, he gave the command to carry out the operation.

As for the bits about treating Osama's body with respect: to do otherwise would give more ammo to the terrorists/crazies in their recruiting of additional warm bodies.

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John McCain is going to be happy and I can't wait to see his speech/announcement.
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I am overjoyed that we finally got the world's top terrorist. The world is a better and more just place now that Osama bin Laden is no longer in it. I hope the families of the victims of the September 11th attacks will sleep easier tonight and every night hence knowing that justice has been done. I commend the President and his team, as well as our men and women in uniform and our intelligence professionals, for this superb achievement.

But while we take heart in the news that Osama bin Laden is dead, we must be mindful that al-Qaeda and its terrorist allies are still lethal and determined enemies, and we must remain vigilant to defeat them.


Ahh, thanks very much for that.

Edited, May 2nd 2011 12:40am by Paskil
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Even better was in August '07 when Obama said that if he had actionable intelligence about high-level al'Qaeda elements in Pakistan, he would act on it and everyone started screaming about how this was the stupidest thing ever and it meant Obama was going to invade Pakistan.
Kind of makes you realise that most criticisms of Obama's presidency are largely ad hominem, huh?
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#114 May 01 2011 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was just wondering about that. They said there was a firefight and OBL was killed. So I wonder if OBL picked up an AK-47 and went to town or if he was shot by a stray round or intentionally assassinated because they didn't think they'd get him out of Pakistan alive or what.

I realize that we'll probably never know.
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'Symbolic victory'

Qais Azimy, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Kabul, said Afghan officials described bin Laden's killing as a "symbolic victory", since he was no longer directly connected to the group's field operations.

"This organisation (Al Qaeda) is more than Bin Laden, it may be symbolised by Bin Laden, but it definitely is more than Bin Laden"
Mark Kimmit, a US military analyst, said bin Laden's death "was not the end of terrorism, but an end of a chapter."

"Capturing or killing bin Laden has more iconic value. It will have symbolic value, because it has been a number of years since Bin Laden has exercised day to day control over operations. We still have an Al Qaeda threat out there and that will be there for a number of years.

"This organisation (Al Qaeda) is more than Bin Laden, it may be symbolised by Bin Laden, but it definitely is more than Bin Laden," he said.

It is, however, a major accomplishment for Obama and his national security team. Obama's predecessor, George Bush, had repeatedly vowed to bring to justice the mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, but never did before leaving office in early 2009.

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There was a supposed photo linked over on Fark. I don't know why I clicked on it, wasn't too gory but any picture of a dead guy is pretty gnarly.
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#117 May 01 2011 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
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Ahahahaha, freepers are so pathetic.
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Osama was killed a week ago. How does a “large crowd” suddenly show up near the White House on a Sunday night to coincide with the announcement ? Unless they were paid union thugs bussed in..
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Did that idiot even look at the crowds outside the White House? Unless unions are hiring 18-23 year old white college kids to do their thugging these days...

I mentioned to Flea that most of those morons probably weren't even ten years old when 9/11 happened.
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Ah, Fox News... always good for something.

I suppose it was either that or "Osama bin Laden (D)"

Edit: Ok, so that's actually a Fox affiliate and not the cable channel...

Edited, May 2nd 2011 12:58am by Jophiel
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that OBL was never actually charged with the 9/11 attacks, but was wanted by the Libyans for a 1994 attack in Libya, and by the Americans for some Embassy bombimgs in Kenya and Tanzania in '98.

But as long as the Boogeyman du Jour is dead, then hey! Lets party...Smiley: rolleyes

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Pretty much sums it up. I think theres gonna be a few busy weeks coming up.

I do wonder how long it will be before the next boogeyman who is the cause of all the worlds problems is identified? My guess is it wont be long as Politics abhors a vacuum.
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#121 May 02 2011 at 2:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ah, Fox News... always good for something.


I found out a few hours ago when a guest at my hotel came up & said, "Did you hear? They got Obama!"

I replied, "You mean Usama?"

He then sheepishly apologized for being as drunk as he was.
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Something tells me that Obama is trying to use a Bush stratagem with this...
#123gbaji, Posted: May 02 2011 at 2:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And that most liberal excuses rely heavily on re-interpretation of the facts. The criticism at the time (and I thought it was in 08, during the campaign, but whatever) wasn't about sending in a hit team to take out someone like OBL, but was about firing air strikes across the border to take out joe random Taliban and Al-queda fighters. It was also more about his amateurish response to the question. You don't say what you'd do. You say something like "We wont leave any options off the table and would craft a plan of action based on the specific conditions of the targets, the danger to friendlies, and with consideration of the sovereign territory of our allies". That's the sort of answer that doesn't pin you down, or restrict your actions, but allows you the freedom to act when it's really necessary.
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I woke up around midnight central and thought I must be dreaming. I made myself get up, leave the room, splash water on my face, then go back; CNN was still saying the same thing. I was dumbstruck. Perhaps that's not the right word, but it sort of sums things up. I went back to sleep until a bit before three. I've been up since. Just in the last 30 or so minutes has it really begun to sink in. It's pretty overwhelming.

I was atop the tower not long (either 1y10m or 10m... I forget which,) before it went down. I stopped by ground zero about five years later. As with many, I can still tell you exactly where I was and what was happening the day it happened. I honestly didn't think this day would come; I figured his health would take him first, and I echo Joph's sentiments on his death for sure.

BTW, "Buried at sea" if no one mentioned that in response to whomever asked. Probably not the best idea, but at least we did it within a day of death.
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WTH, buried at sea? I hope somebody took some pictures because that seems, well, fishy.

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WTH, buried at sea? I hope somebody took some pictures because that seems, well, fishy.


here we go
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Well, duh. C'mon. <superpremiumrollingeyessmiley>
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Finally.

I had assumed he was already dead and no one knew it.
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WTH, buried at sea? I hope somebody took some pictures because that seems, well, fishy.


Great. Coming soon... War on Terror Two: Revenge of Zombie Ousama
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Also, in response to Lolgaxe's question regarding the opinions of the crazies, many of the tinfoil hats are insisting that he's been dead for 8 years and that the "New World Order' is just pulling his body out of cold storage, or they're pretending not to care.

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Any word from the person who pulled the trigger? Man, talking about a bullet point on his NCOER! lol
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Pretty sure he was talking aout the Trifecta and the 3rd won't appear until sometime today as there's no forms of modern communication in the deep woods. Just grunts.
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WTH, buried at sea? I hope somebody took some pictures because that seems, well, fishy.



From what I understand, they had to get him buried within 24 hours following Muslim tradition. Just glad there isn't a grave to become a rallying point for future nut jobs.
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Any word from the person who pulled the trigger? Man, talking about a bullet point on his NCOER! lol
Yes, releasing this information wouldn't be dangerous for the shooter in any way shape or form...
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Yes, releasing this information wouldn't be dangerous for the shooter in any way shape or form...
Right, because partying on the White House lawn showed all kinds of foresight.
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From what I understand, they had to get him buried within 24 hours following Muslim tradition.


Ahh yes, I was just reading about that. It's still ****fishy****(jesus, where is your guys' sense of humor?)

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It's like a drunken tard frat party outside the White House.

"WWWOOOOOOooooooo!!!! U-S-A!! U-S-A!! WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!"
And you know this will be the footage on Al-Jazeera. Thanks, tards.


Now I kind of want to go down there and hand out glocks for them to fire into the air.
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ThiefX,

I have watched the speech, and so far, he has said the word "we", in reference to the government and military of the USA, a ridiculous amount of times. About 3 minutes in he says that he directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA to make killing or capturing bin laden the top priority, which is hardly taking full credit for the work done by the CIA, he did his job, and he said so. Then he says "we" again several times, in the same context as before.

Then, about 3 and a half minutes in, he says that he, personally was briefed on a lead as to OBL's location. Again, thias is not him taking personal credit for the kill, he is just stating what he does for a living again. Shortly thereafter, he says he worked with his National Security Team, which, again, is not taking personal credit for the work of the CIA, again, just stating the fact that he was doing his job. Then he says "we" a bunch more times in the same context as previously established.

Then, about 4 minutes in, he says that he, in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief, decided based on the evidence at hand(provided by the CIA), gave the go ahead to go in, which again, is his duty as President of the USA. He then proceeds to talk about giving orders, which is also his job in such situations, and talks about and praises the team that went in.

Then he says "we" some more.

He then proceeds, about 5 mins in, to mention that he had maintained that they weren't at war with Islam, again using the word "I", but not taking credit for the entire effort, and even mentions Bush. He then reaffirms that he had said that he would give the order to take action in Pakistan if "we" were to find out the location of OBL. Which, again, if you weren't paying attention, is his job.

Just about 6 minutes in, he praises the co-operation of Pakistan, again giving credit where credit is due. He then mentioned that he had personally called the president of Pakistan, which, while using the word "I", is not taking any personal credit for the entire effort.

He then, about 6.5 minutes in, mentions his thought processes when he had to sign letters to the families of those killed in the war against Al Qaeda. Again, perfectly fine. Then he says "we" again.

He then continues on to talk about 9/11, America, and the war against Al Qaeda.

So, I have to ask, what @#%^ing speech were you watching?

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The criticism at the time (and I thought it was in 08, during the campaign, but whatever) wasn't about sending in a hit team to take out someone like OBL, but was about firing air strikes across the border to take out joe random Taliban and Al-queda fighters.

No, it wasn't but I can understand why you need to lie now to cover your embarrassed ass. He said specifically "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets". And you were right there screaming about how horrible this was and how it was just like threatening to invade Pakistan and what a mistake it was.

Thank God retards like you aren't in charge so we could actually get Osama bin Laden.

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Oh, please no.

Although I have to say, I hope we take this opportunity to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. Call it a win, cut your losses, and let people govern themselves.

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Great news! I know people that are celebrating his death. My former roommate lost relatives on 9/11.
I can see it taking a full week before the announcement. They wanted to make positive ID on him.
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It is funny because the same people who won't give obama credit for this blame him for the economy.
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I can see it taking a full week before the announcement. They wanted to make positive ID on him.

It didn't take a week. That was just idle speculation and shaky reporting filling the time until Obama spoke.
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I wonder how long until we find out if we are in more or less danger now. I wish bush was still around to let us know how scared to be.
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I now feel completely justified in lumping you in with the tinfoil hats. What makes you believe he's been dead for 5 years?
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#149varusword75, Posted: May 02 2011 at 7:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Atard,
#150 May 02 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,

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Obama says bin Laden was killed tonight


Obama says lots. Osama's been dead what 5yrs now?

Not according to Bush, who congratulated Obama on bringing Osama to "justice".

Edited, May 2nd 2011 10:47am by Uglysasquatch
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#151 May 02 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Obama says lots. Osama's been dead what 5yrs now?

Teehee.

Giuliani has more class than every conservative on this forum combined and times a hundred.
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I feel a great deal of satisfaction that justice has been done, and I admire the courage of the president to make a decision like this because if something had gone wrong everyone would be blaming him.


Edited, May 2nd 2011 8:48am by Jophiel
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