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Do you think it's classy celebrating on the graves at ground zero?
No, but one could hardly call the vast majority of Americans, "classy".
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No, but one could hardly call the vast majority of Americans, "classy".
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Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
varusword75 wrote:
Do you think it's classy celebrating on the graves at ground zero?
Will they have cake and ice cream and fruit punch?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Do you think it's classy celebrating on the graves at ground zero?
Will they have cake and ice cream and fruit punch?
As long as it isn't grape koolaid.
Not everyone can be as classy as a squidbilly.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
I assume Drift was referring to the crowd celebrations from Sunday night and not Obama's upcoming speech but I could be mistaken.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Too much English?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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He's not "the vast majority" he's the president
The president is having a party at ground zero? I knew he'd be going there, but I wasn't aware that there was going to be this huge party.
Really though, what I've read from both right wing and left wing media sources is that he'll be going there, speaking, and meeting families of victims of 9/11. I don't see what the problem is. I would think that any president would do the same thing.
10k before the site's inevitable death or bust
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
Alan Watts wrote:
I am omnipotent insofar as I am the Universe, but I am not an omnipotent in the role of Alan Watts, only cunning
Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
Jophiel wrote:
I assume Drift was referring to the crowd celebrations from Sunday night
10k before the site's inevitable death or bust
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
Alan Watts wrote:
I am omnipotent insofar as I am the Universe, but I am not an omnipotent in the role of Alan Watts, only cunning
Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
Driftwood wrote:
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He's not "the vast majority" he's the president
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
Do you think it's classy celebrating on the graves at ground zero?
Will they have cake and ice cream and fruit punch?
SAY PUNCH AND PIE! MORE PEOPLE WILL COME!
Driftwood wrote:
I don't see what the problem is.
Varus.
Speaking of, Obama called Bush the night of the mission. Pelosi has also called Bush to thank him. Meanwhile, not a single one of the usual suspects has said peep to commend the President of the United States.
Hey, Gbaji, remember when Obama was elected and you acted all smug about how Republicans show "class and respect" towards the President? Hahahahahaha... that was great. Stay classy, Republicans!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#390REDACTED,
Posted: May 04 2011 at 8:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) and if we're real lucky we'll get to see some more of this from the first lady.
varusword75 wrote:
and if we're real lucky we'll get to see some more of this from the first lady.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
varusword75 wrote:
and if we're real lucky we'll get to see some more of this from the first lady.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/the-scene/events/Michelle-Obama-Does-the-Dougie.html?dr
http://www.nbcwashington.com/the-scene/events/Michelle-Obama-Does-the-Dougie.html?dr
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varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
Continually calling someone a liar and murderer has a tendency to sour one towards the people doing the name calling. Notice W didn't bad mouth Obama. That doesn't mean he has to stand next to him and start singing kumbaya. Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the classy thing to do. Not that I expect you, or any of your liberal politicians, to get this. Obama and the Democrats d*mn near made it impossible for W to conduct the war against these guys. So now that they're in power they all of a sudden see the light and the gop should be grateful and join hands with the same people who've allowed politics to place more american soldiers lifes in danger than necessary?
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Obama called Bush the night of the mission. Pelosi has also called Bush to thank him
Continually calling someone a liar and murderer has a tendency to sour one towards the people doing the name calling. Notice W didn't bad mouth Obama. That doesn't mean he has to stand next to him and start singing kumbaya. Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the classy thing to do. Not that I expect you, or any of your liberal politicians, to get this. Obama and the Democrats d*mn near made it impossible for W to conduct the war against these guys. So now that they're in power they all of a sudden see the light and the gop should be grateful and join hands with the same people who've allowed politics to place more american soldiers lifes in danger than necessary?
I think you just made all that up.
varusword75 wrote:
Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the classy thing to do.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html?hp
Curious what the "rough" treatment was, compared to being waterboarded 183 times. But it looks like the guy who was actively tortured misled or lied after it anyway. Or he just didn't know.
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But a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out. One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment — including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times — repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity.
The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was “quite cooperative,†saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief.
Armed with Mr. Ghul’s account of the courier’s significance, interrogators asked Mr. Mohammed again about Mr. Kuwaiti. He stuck to his story, according to the official.
The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was “quite cooperative,†saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief.
Armed with Mr. Ghul’s account of the courier’s significance, interrogators asked Mr. Mohammed again about Mr. Kuwaiti. He stuck to his story, according to the official.
Curious what the "rough" treatment was, compared to being waterboarded 183 times. But it looks like the guy who was actively tortured misled or lied after it anyway. Or he just didn't know.
varusword75 wrote:
Continually calling someone a liar and murderer has a tendency to sour one towards the people doing the name calling.
You're such a cute little kid. Keep stomping your feet and huffing and throwing your little hissy fits! The very picture of Republican class :D
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
This is what i've heard;
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
Speaking of, Obama called Bush the night of the mission. Pelosi has also called Bush to thank him. Meanwhile, not a single one of the usual suspects has said peep to commend the President of the United States.
Hey, Gbaji, remember when Obama was elected and you acted all smug about how Republicans show "class and respect" towards the President? Hahahahahaha... that was great. Stay classy, Republicans!
Some Republicans have publicly commended President Obama by name: George W. Bush, **** Cheney, Tom Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Donald Trump. Palin wouldn't commend him publicly if he saved the lives of her entire family so don't hold your breath there.
Edited, May 4th 2011 11:28am by Whimsi
varusword75 wrote:
Locked,
This is what i've heard;
This is what i've heard;
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Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,†Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.
It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.
“The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,†Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.â€
It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.
“The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,†Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.â€
And what was in the article I linked was:
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After the capture in March 2003 of Mr. Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he was subjected to the most harrowing set of the so-called enhanced measures, which included slamming prisoners into walls, shackling them in stress positions and keeping them awake for as long as 180 hours. Like two other prisoners, he was subjected to waterboarding.
According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was “retired†and of little significance.
In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture.
According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was “retired†and of little significance.
In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture.
Rep. King would seem to be wrong - the US already had Kuwaiti's name, otherwise they could not have asked Mohammed about him. Also, as your source misspells "courier," instead of referring to him as a "currier" (an expert in coloring leather), I'm going to call shenanigans on yours
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