Obama releases long form birth cert.Follow

But gave them your full-throated defense again and again and again. No, really, we all believe you.


The whole Birther thing started as a lunatic fringe element. Cute that now you'd say "Oh, they don't matter because it's just a lunatic fringe..."


You could. I'd actually say they're retards if they're acting retarded though instead of playing some "Well, I don't AGREE with them, of course, but here's fifteen paragraphs saying why they're totally correct..." Kind of like I've never gotten on the Truther wagon or called for Bush to be impeached or imprisoned for war crimes any of that other nonsense.


I would apply the Birther label to any of you who had the pathological need to scream "Where's the REAL certificate?!" after Obama had presented a perfectly legal one, accepted in all 50 states, back in 2008. Watching you spin in circles in this thread, still insisting that that birth certificate didn't count only reinforces my belief that it's accurate.

I smirked at the New Yorker's characterization of Trump as "Birther of a Nation".

lulz, but im curious, what is Trumps campaign going to be now?

Obama faked his way through college. By either pretending to be a foreign exchange student, or by actually not going to school and faking it all. He was a horrible student, so there is no way it actually got in...

The big question now:
Why hasn't he released his school records!!?!


(Don't you read the thread?)

Timing. The point of the presentation, whether it was targeted at Trump or republican candidates in general, was the neuter the line of attack where they merely question his citizenship to keep the issue fresh in the minds of voters. For Republicans candidates to hurt Obama they need to only keep doubt alive. If people are talking about it, then they have scored some point. For Obama to come out optimally he doesn't need to prove anything, rather he needs to prevent it from being discussed. By doing this now he has forced the debate early. People will be focused on this subject now and interest will die down once the actual campaign is in full gear. Those questioning his birth are forced to either let the issue of "where's the birth certificate" die or to critique his presentation more specifically--risking appearing like paranoid fanatics.

He's in Vegas today promoting what he calls "the new reagan revolution."

Trump would have totally won the next presidential election if Obama didn't release the long form birth certificate.

No question

What its more like would be the jerk at the bar asking for the patron's Drivers License, which the patron promptly produces, but the jerk at the bar looks at it but doesn't want to let him in and says "No... this says its a License to Drive, what we need is a Drivers License". THAT's what its like.

71/28 is a bit of a one-sided divider.

Divider between uneducated lunatics and sanity, maybe. I'm quite content with that division.

I don't think Donald Trump's hairpiece is a natural born citizen, and I'm against his nomination until I see it's birth certificate.

How did Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital not exist in 1978 when the facility changed its name to that in 1931?

Yes, I absolutely do. And remember, it's not about being "dumb". Let me ask you a question: At what point in the primary process do you think a political party will go dig up documentation in order to verify a candidates credentials? And if Obama handed them the same certification he put online, would they demand that he give them the full certificate? Of course they wouldn't.

Let me remind you that the birther movement started with the Clinton campaign. They were the first ones to question Obama on this. That's what prompted the original release of the certification. If the DNC had already checked Obama's full long form vital records prior to that point, why would Clinton's campaign have asked the question? The answer is obviously that they hadn't checked those records at that point.

Do you think they'd go check them once he won the nomination? There's no result except political disaster by doing that. If the documentation is fine, you gain nothing. But if there are any issues or irregularities with it, you just give ammunition to the other side. And that's even barring the possibility that there are major problems with it and you've just blown your own candidate out of the race. It's a lose/lose to check at that point.



I'm sure you are wrong. I suspect that they did what they do with every candidate. They accept an affidavit from said candidate attesting that he meets the requirements. They then continue as though that's true, signing affidavits themselves attesting to the same fact. Unless something comes up to make one question the candidate's word, you'd never actually demand documentation. I'd be shocked if any party does. Yet you assume they did? Why?

The question only came up mid way through the primaries. And Obama showed the certification and that was good enough for the Democrats. I'll say again: Why would there have been any question among Democrats if they had already checked and verified the full records prior to him even entering the primary race? They didn't check then, and they didn't check when Clinton asked, and they certainly didn't check after he won the nomination.