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#427 Apr 29 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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You're completely missing my point. I'm not saying one way or the other that SSM is or is not a "civil right" movement (in this thread). The fact is, proponents are referencing it. Do you think those people were fighting for SSM? I doubt it, because if so, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. So whether or not SSM was part of the intent, it's still applicable, which is the point. Regardless if you want to accept it, the same applies to every other denial of marriage if you were to allow SSM from a dumb inclusive argument such as "As long as they love each other" or "two adults should be able to marry". It has to be explicitly defined to exclude unwanted marriages. If not, you have created precedence for other illegal forms of marriage.


Anyone know what the hell is going on up there?
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#428 Apr 29 2011 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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You're completely missing my point. I'm not saying one way or the other that SSM is or is not a "civil right" movement (in this thread). The fact is, proponents are referencing it. Do you think those people were fighting for SSM? I doubt it, because if so, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. So whether or not SSM was part of the intent, it's still applicable, which is the point. Regardless if you want to accept it, the same applies to every other denial of marriage if you were to allow SSM from a dumb inclusive argument such as "As long as they love each other" or "two adults should be able to marry". It has to be explicitly defined to exclude unwanted marriages. If not, you have created precedence for other illegal forms of marriage.


Anyone know what the hell is going on up there?


Slippery slope + A misunderstanding of legal precedent + Poor communication skills = That mess

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You're completely missing my point. I'm not saying one way or the other that SSM is or is not a "civil right" movement (in this thread). The fact is, proponents are referencing it. Do you think those people were fighting for SSM? I doubt it, because if so, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. So whether or not SSM was part of the intent, it's still applicable, which is the point. Regardless if you want to accept it, the same applies to every other denial of marriage if you were to allow SSM from a dumb inclusive argument such as "As long as they love each other" or "two adults should be able to marry". It has to be explicitly defined to exclude unwanted marriages. If not, you have created precedence for other illegal forms of marriage.


Anyone know what the hell is going on up there?


Slippery slope + A misunderstanding of legal precedent + Poor communication skills = That mess

Edited, Apr 29th 2011 5:38pm by Eske


It read like it was a google translation of...i don't know...sanskrit?
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#430 Apr 29 2011 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just gave it another read-through. Most of the confusion stems from his unspecified reference to "those people", which seems to actually mean "historical civil rights leaders".

Anyway, he's got one massive, gaping hole in his argument, but Joph already pointed it out, essentially (for what good that did). There's no point in going into it, though....y'all can sort out what it is. The only person who couldn't figure it out on their own is Alma, and good luck trying to explain anything to him.
#431Almalieque, Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 4:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your refusal to accept reality doesn't equate to a "gaping hole" in my argument.
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Yes, of course, its everyone else, not you. Never mind that there's both left and right leaning people seeing you as an idiot, its totally all them.
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#433 Apr 29 2011 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Just gave it another read-through. Most of the confusion stems from his unspecified reference to "those people", which seems to actually mean "historical civil rights leaders".

Anyway, he's got one massive, gaping hole in his argument, but Joph already pointed it out, essentially (for what good that did). There's no point in going into it, though....y'all can sort out what it is. The only person who couldn't figure it out on their own is Alma, and good luck trying to explain anything to him.


Your refusal to accept reality doesn't equate to a "gaping hole" in my argument.


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#435Almalieque, Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 5:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey, in this case.. yes. It's part of the "image"
#436 Apr 29 2011 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Alma, I'm not being funny but if everyone disagrees with you and thinks it's okay to ridicule you for being an idiot, don't you think it's time to reassess your position?

I mean, sticking to your convictions could be seen as admirable, if you had any basis for them other than "I just don't like gays"(I'm summarising, not quoting, before you get uppity). It always makes me laugh when people who I'm certain know what it's like to receive prejudice are such strong advocates of it.

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#437Almalieque, Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 5:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.
#438 Apr 29 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.

Alma hangs out with like-minded people who always agree with him? Shock!

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As always, I'll take fault the first two explanations, but after that, you have to man up and take some fault as well. This is a TWO WAY conversation.

Maybe if you didn't try to turn every conversation into a series of increasingly poor analogies, and instead were capable of actually talking about the issues at hand, this would quit happening.
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"If you don't exclusively argue for a right and or privilege in anything in life, regardless if it were your intent or not, groups that are applicable to your reasoning can and will use it as precedence."
I believe that statement to be true. What I don't beleive though, is the ridiculous examples you give as potentials to follow that up with.
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#440 Apr 29 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.

As always, I'll take fault the first two explanations, but after that, you have to man up and take some fault as well. This is a TWO WAY conversation.
So you do like gays? Excellent.



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#441 Apr 29 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
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Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.

As always, I'll take fault the first two explanations, but after that, you have to man up and take some fault as well. This is a TWO WAY conversation.
So you do like gays? Excellent.



Now I'm trolling.


He never said he didn't like gays, just that he couldn't care less about them...and also that he doesn't like them Smiley: sly
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#442Almalieque, Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 7:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you understood the issue at hand, I wouldn't need to use analogies. We can point fingers all day long, at some point, you have to take some credit.
#443 Apr 29 2011 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
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Alma, I'm not being funny but if everyone disagrees with you and thinks it's okay to ridicule you for being an idiot, don't you think it's time to reassess your position?

I mean, sticking to your convictions could be seen as admirable, if you had any basis for them other than "I just don't like gays"(I'm summarising, not quoting, before you get uppity). It always makes me laugh when people who I'm certain know what it's like to receive prejudice are such strong advocates of it.

Edited, Apr 29th 2011 7:28pm by Nilatai


Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.

As always, I'll take fault the first two explanations, but after that, you have to man up and take some fault as well. This is a TWO WAY conversation.

What other forums do you post in about these types of topics? Im truly curious if this is true or if youre just trying to save your ***. =)
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Nilatai wrote:
Alma, I'm not being funny but if everyone disagrees with you and thinks it's okay to ridicule you for being an idiot, don't you think it's time to reassess your position?

I mean, sticking to your convictions could be seen as admirable, if you had any basis for them other than "I just don't like gays"(I'm summarising, not quoting, before you get uppity). It always makes me laugh when people who I'm certain know what it's like to receive prejudice are such strong advocates of it.

Edited, Apr 29th 2011 7:28pm by Nilatai


Nope, because as I always state, when I have these same exact arguments in other forums to include in real life with people I disagree with, the outcomes are completely different. The simple fact that you think "I just don't like gays" is even remotely a "summary" after all of these pages clearly demonstrates your failure of comprehension.

As always, I'll take fault the first two explanations, but after that, you have to man up and take some fault as well. This is a TWO WAY conversation.

What other forums do you post in about these types of topics? Im truly curious if this is true or if youre just trying to save your ***. =)


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Fucking lol.
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the fact that reproduction is a result is just a nice bonus.

Derr, so eating is just a bonus to our months, which are firstly all about kissing - two pairs of lips fit so nicely together?

Why is sex better with someone you love?
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#447Almalieque, Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 8:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't know, ask all of the people who cheat on their spouses.
#448 Apr 29 2011 at 8:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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the fact that reproduction is a result is just a nice bonus.

Derr, so eating is just a bonus to our months, which are firstly all about kissing - two pairs of lips fit so nicely together?

Why is sex better with someone you love?


I don't know, ask all of the people who cheat on their spouses.
I'm a newb and all, but is it even possible to love someone, and also be cheating on them?
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#449 Apr 29 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default
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Kirby the Eccentric wrote:
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the fact that reproduction is a result is just a nice bonus.

Derr, so eating is just a bonus to our months, which are firstly all about kissing - two pairs of lips fit so nicely together?

Why is sex better with someone you love?


I don't know, ask all of the people who cheat on their spouses.
I'm a newb and all, but is it even possible to love someone, and also be cheating on them?


My argument has always been no, but I'm sure your ***** reacts the same way regardless.
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Lust and love are not the same thing. It's perfectly feasible for you to ***** someone's brains out and not really give a damn about them for some people.
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Lust and love are not the same thing. It's perfectly feasible for you to ***** someone's brains out and not really give a damn about them for some people.


While I don't want to ruin the opportunity of us actually agreeing, I think the differentiation is between being capable of having sex with someone you don't love vs actively having sex outside of the marriage.
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