Its not my inability to follow a though process, its your inability to create one logically. I'm not interested enough in discussing anything with you to go back and read your mess to find an example. Ask someone who gives a sh*t, as I was simply clarifying a point for you.
Given that the general consensus is that you are stupid, how about you prove how you're not.
Edited, Apr 27th 2011 9:45am by Uglysasquatch
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Maybe in order to teach it as science in schools they would need to prove it
That discussion with Alma? I guess, could you even follow that?
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Maybe in order to teach it as science in schools they would need to prove it
That discussion with Alma? I guess, could you even follow that?
Yeah...
Anyway, I was trying to point out that not all religious types support teaching creation as science. My faith would be best described as unitarian universalist. This is a church that even some agnostics and atheists go to.
My belief in God doesn't prevent me from knowing that evolution is real (I can't ignore scientific facts). I do believe that evolution and the universe is controled, but I of course can't prove it. That's what faith is for, but faith is not science.
I believe that my beliefs are right, but I don't believe that people who don't follow my beliefs are wrong. I think that all modern religion is just a different interpretation of the same thing (yes, even aethism). I know, I'm weird.
My beliefs also change as I learn more. I used to believe that if you weren't Christian you would burn in hell for all eternity. I no longer even believe in hell.
I'm rambling now, so I will shut up.
Almalieque wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Alma, you said this and genuinely thought you were making some kind of brilliant point:
That's all I need to show you are not an intelligent person.
You wrote:
So apes are humans?
That's all I need to show you are not an intelligent person.
Almalieque wrote:
My entire counter to your "we're animals" argument is that there are differences between animals and humans regardless if you consider humans as animals or not. You countered that humans are apes, disregarding that distinction, implying that we are animals, great apes to be exact. So, by baboons being gay, it's natural for humans to be gay or something to that effect.
Well, I simply turned your statement around to say "oh, apes are humans?". Obviously you don't believe that. So, if it doesn't work both ways, then that means that there are not equal and there exist a difference between the two. In other words, just because something is natural with an ape or baboon, doesn't mean it's natural with humans because we aren't the same thing! Else, you would have agreed to the "apes are humans".
I already explained that to you. Just because it's natural for a cheetah to run at incredible fast rates, doesn't make it natural for a house cat to do the same because they are both cats. They are two different animals.
So, if I missed your mark, then what was the relevance in mentioning homosexuality in nature?
Humans, **** Sapiens, are a species of great ape. Just like Gorillas are a species of Great Ape. This doesn't mean all Apes are Gorillas. Do you understand what I am saying, because I honestly don't believe you do.
Humans are:
Vertebrates - we share attributes with all other vertebrates.
Placentals - We share attributes with all other placentals.
Mammals - we share attributes with all other mammals.
Primates - we share attributes with all other primates.
Great Apes - we share attributes with all other great apes.
This does not mean that I am saying that all other species that fit into any one of these categories also have to be Human. This is the crux of your fallacious "counter-argument". It is disingenuous to the highest degree.
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This isn't about evolution, but how do you explain water?
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
Nope, it's not the only one that does that. Silicon, gallium, germanium, antimony, bismuth, and plutonium do it too. It depends on how the molecules come together. Water's shape causes it to form a hexagonal lattice.
Sweetums wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This isn't about evolution, but how do you explain water?
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
Nope, it's not the only one that does that. Silicon, gallium, germanium, antimony, bismuth, and plutonium do it too. It depends on how the molecules come together. Water's shape causes it to form a hexagonal lattice.
I looked it up too, and there are five confirmed and two possible. I don't have the list in front of me but 5-7 out of millions isn't much, but yes, I was wrong to say one. I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
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Solrain wrote:
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LordFaramir wrote:
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Nilatai wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
This I can accept.
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This isn't about evolution, but how do you explain water?
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
Nope, it's not the only one that does that. Silicon, gallium, germanium, antimony, bismuth, and plutonium do it too. It depends on how the molecules come together. Water's shape causes it to form a hexagonal lattice.
I looked it up too, and there are five confirmed and two possible. I don't have the list in front of me but 5-7 out of millions isn't much, but yes, I was wrong to say one. I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
It's kind of like why a pile of toothpick triangles is more dense than one made into those really awesome domes you got to make in elementary school.
I might have the positives and negatives mixed up because, damn it Jim, I'm a math major, not a chem major!
Edited, Apr 27th 2011 8:44am by Sweetums
Sweetums wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Sweetums wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This isn't about evolution, but how do you explain water?
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
In every other substance known to man the solid is more dense than the liquid, but not with water. If this were true with water, then life would not exist. That just happened randomly?
I'm not trying to prove that God is real here, just curious as to what you all think about this.
Nope, it's not the only one that does that. Silicon, gallium, germanium, antimony, bismuth, and plutonium do it too. It depends on how the molecules come together. Water's shape causes it to form a hexagonal lattice.
I looked it up too, and there are five confirmed and two possible. I don't have the list in front of me but 5-7 out of millions isn't much, but yes, I was wrong to say one. I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
This is explaining the chemistry again, I already know the chemistry...maybe I'm asking the question wrong. Doesn't matter because Nilatai already explained it :P
Edit: messed up quote real bad.
Edited, Apr 27th 2011 10:18am by Ailitardif
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This is explaining the chemistry again, I already know the chemistry...maybe I'm asking the question wrong. Doesn't matter because Nilatai already explained it :P
Honestly though it's that simple. Water behaves like water because it is water.
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Solrain wrote:
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LordFaramir wrote:
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Nilatai wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
This is explaining the chemistry again, I already know the chemistry...maybe I'm asking the question wrong. Doesn't matter because Nilatai already explained it :P
Honestly though it's that simple. Water behaves like water because it is water.
Nice job on this. I put my response inside the quote instead of outside. This happens when posting on a phone.
Nilatai wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I also know the chemistry as to how it works, I was asking why it is like that.
It's like asking why anything works or exists, then keep asking why when you get a mechanism of explanation. Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
You're allowed to say it just is, but they can't?
I think the problem is that eventually Creationists are looking for motive when one doesn't exist. Why do we have a chemical compound that's required for life? There's no motive to it, it's that way because if it wasn't we wouldn't be alive to worry about it. The answer is simply "because" for the reason that there is no motive.
Now if you (general "you") were asking why water acts the way it does on a molecular level then you can get into it. But I think most Creationist arguments boil down to them trying to disavow any random element by working backwards and then declaring that the end result is all too perfect for it to be random.
You can do the same with any occurrence and play the "butterfly effect" game where you take an event, work backwards and claim the events leading up to the internal combustion engine couldn't have been random because it's all too perfect that we have internal combustion engines today.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Nilatai wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
It may not advance understanding, but it doesn't have to block understanding either. I know it does for some people, but not for me. I know that modern humans and chimps share a common ancestor and I know the Earth is billions of years old. I know this because there is evidence of it. The only difference between you and me is that I don't believe it is random.
I also want to be clear that I do not think you are wrong. Both of our beliefs bring us to the same end point, we just are on differing paths to get there.
Jophiel wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
You're allowed to say it just is, but they can't?
I think the problem is that eventually Creationists are looking for motive when one doesn't exist. Why do we have a chemical compound that's required for life? There's no motive to it, it's that way because if it wasn't we wouldn't be alive to worry about it. The answer is simply "because" for the reason that there is no motive.
Now if you (general "you") were asking why water acts the way it does on a molecular level then you can get into it. But I think most Creationist arguments boil down to them trying to disavow any random element by working backwards and then declaring that the end result is all too perfect for it to be random.
You can do the same with any occurrence and play the "butterfly effect" game where you take an event, work backwards and claim the events leading up to the internal combustion engine couldn't have been random because it's all too perfect that we have internal combustion engines today.
The internal combustion engine is far from perfect, god had nothing to do with that :P
Nilatai wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
The only difference between you and me is that I don't believe it is random.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
When you get to a point that you can no longer explain something, you have to accept that anything(that can't be proven impossible) is possible.
Edited, Apr 27th 2011 10:04am by bsphil
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
The internal combustion engine is far from perfect, god had nothing to do with that :P
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
The internal combustion engine is far from perfect
So is the human body.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
The internal combustion engine is far from perfect, god had nothing to do with that :P
But then the lack of perfection becomes perfect and now god is back in :P
Nilatai wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Once you can't explain it, the answer doesn't boil down to "god" "magick" or "because you touch yourself" it just is because it is.
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This is my daughter the other day. She's like:
"Papa, why can't we go outside?"
"Well, 'cause it's raining."
"Why?"
"Well, water's coming out of the sky."
"Why?"
"Because it was in a cloud."
"Why?"
"Well....clouds form when there's vapor."
"Why?"
"...I don't know. I don't know any more things. Those are all the things I know."
"Why?"
"'Cause I'm stupid, okay, I'm stupid."
"Why?"
"Well because I didn't pay attention in school, okay? I went to school, but I didn't listen in class."
"Why?"
"'Cause I was high all the time, okay? I smoked too much pot."
"Why?"
"'Cause my parents gave me no guidance, okay? They didn't give a sh*t."
"Why?"
"'Cause they @#%^ed in the back of the car and had me, and they resented me for taking their youth."
"Why?"
"Because they had bad morals, they had no compass."
"Why?"
"Because they had sh*tty parents. It just keeps going like that."
"Why?"
"Because @#%^ it, we're alone in the universe. Nobody gives a sh*t about us."
I'm gonna stop there to be polite to you for a second. But this goes on for hours and hours, and it gets so weird and abstract it's like:
"Why?"
"Well, because some things are, and some things are not."
"Why?"
"Well, because things that are not can't be."
"Why?"
"Well, because nothing wouldn't be! You can't have @#%^ing nothing isn't, everything is!
"Why?"
"Ah @#%^ you, eat your french fries you little sh*t."
"Papa, why can't we go outside?"
"Well, 'cause it's raining."
"Why?"
"Well, water's coming out of the sky."
"Why?"
"Because it was in a cloud."
"Why?"
"Well....clouds form when there's vapor."
"Why?"
"...I don't know. I don't know any more things. Those are all the things I know."
"Why?"
"'Cause I'm stupid, okay, I'm stupid."
"Why?"
"Well because I didn't pay attention in school, okay? I went to school, but I didn't listen in class."
"Why?"
"'Cause I was high all the time, okay? I smoked too much pot."
"Why?"
"'Cause my parents gave me no guidance, okay? They didn't give a sh*t."
"Why?"
"'Cause they @#%^ed in the back of the car and had me, and they resented me for taking their youth."
"Why?"
"Because they had bad morals, they had no compass."
"Why?"
"Because they had sh*tty parents. It just keeps going like that."
"Why?"
"Because @#%^ it, we're alone in the universe. Nobody gives a sh*t about us."
I'm gonna stop there to be polite to you for a second. But this goes on for hours and hours, and it gets so weird and abstract it's like:
"Why?"
"Well, because some things are, and some things are not."
"Why?"
"Well, because things that are not can't be."
"Why?"
"Well, because nothing wouldn't be! You can't have @#%^ing nothing isn't, everything is!
"Why?"
"Ah @#%^ you, eat your french fries you little sh*t."
Edited, Apr 27th 2011 11:14am by Eske
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